
Stripping Off with Matt Haycox
Welcome to 'Stripping Off with Matt Haycox,' where we bare it all on business, money, and life. Get ready to peel back the layers of success with entrepreneur, investor, funding expert, and mentor with over 20 years of experience building and growing businesses, Matt Haycox.
Tune into steamy conversations with industry titans, celebrities, and successful entrepreneurs as they strip down their stories of triumphs, setbacks, and the raw realities of their journey to the top. Matt is going down on business, money, and life, and will take DMCs to new heights!
Stripping Off with Matt Haycox
Katie Price: The Real Cost of Fame and Survival
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In her rawest interview yet, Katie Price opens up about the brutal reality behind a life lived in the headlines. From PTSD and public breakdowns to rebuilding her empire and finding peace, she reveals what the media got wrong, and how she finally took back control.
You’ll learn:
- The truth about her breakdown, therapy and recovery.
- What really goes on behind the tabloid stories.
- How she rebuilt her mindset and career from rock bottom.
- The price of fame and the power of resilience.
- Why she refuses to be anyone’s “product” again.
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Timestamps:
00:00 – Introduction
02:59 – Life in the Spotlight: Fame, Trauma & The Priory
14:00 – Money, Bankruptcy & Rebuilding Confidence
24:18 – Trust, Relationships & Learning Boundaries
31:57 – Business, OnlyFans & The Pricey Comeback
40:39 – Family, Kids & Legacy
48:15 – Surgery, Body Image & Confidence
56:41 – Reflection & The Road Ahead
Keywords: Katie Price, PTSD recovery, fame and trauma, celebrity culture, mental health, media manipulation, resilience, rebuilding mindset, self-worth, No Bollocks podcast.
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If you could put me in prison just to clear it all, just do it. Katie Price. Good morning.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, Matt, and hello everyone listening.
SPEAKER_01:Let's get to the agenda.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you haven't even got an agenda.
SPEAKER_01:Why did you go into the priory?
SPEAKER_03:I've never been in there for addiction. I've got severe PTSD.
SPEAKER_01:You did have. What was your first bankruptcy, I think, then? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Apparently I'm in another one. I didn't even know about that. I read that in the paper. I don't know why they keep going on about the bankruptcy. It's just so boring. Just get over it.
SPEAKER_01:Who do you have around you as professional advisors?
SPEAKER_03:I've had all these years of being ripped off, stitched up. I don't trust anyone.
SPEAKER_01:Would you say you've been a bad judge of character?
SPEAKER_03:I've realised people weren't my friends. I am the product. And I hate that word, but I realise I'm a product.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think it is? It's kept you in the press for 30 years.
SPEAKER_03:I actually don't know that answer. I suppose my life's like a soap series, but in print.
SPEAKER_01:Hung yourself? Literally.
SPEAKER_03:I hung myself because I just didn't want to be here anymore.
SPEAKER_01:Guys, Matt Haycock's here, and welcome to another episode of Stripping Off with Matt Haycox. I normally say where we strip our guests off metaphorically, but this is probably my first guest who won't mind stripping off anyway. She needs no introduction. She's been on the show before. Katie Price. Good morning.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my god, Matt, and hello everyone listening. Yeah, the last time it was before COVID, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_01:It was. It must have been about November 2019. That is clearly giving you a 20-year career.
SPEAKER_02:25 nearly, actually.
SPEAKER_01:You don't possibly look old enough.
SPEAKER_02:Well, I've been to Turkey. Anyway, I don't have to keep looking at the camera. No, I do enough of that on my reality plug. Anyway, just quickly.
SPEAKER_01:Go on. When I knew we were doing this, I thought I want to talk about some different stuff that A, I haven't done to death, and that B, you haven't done to death as well. So I'm gonna have to go back and watch it. Just so I know what we talked about. Oh my god, I can't look at myself. I can't look at myself.
SPEAKER_03:My face has probably changed since then as well.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's that's a week, that's a weekly occurrence.
SPEAKER_03:You look like you've lost weight as well. I've lost about You've lost loads of weight since I lost. Are you training, boxing? What are you doing?
SPEAKER_01:Training, eating a bit better. What's with the black eye? Sticking lots of testosterone in my bottom.
SPEAKER_03:What's with the black eye?
SPEAKER_01:Um Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_03:What excuse. Go on. No, no, no. Boxing, training.
SPEAKER_01:I'd love a good story. It's just a bit of filler, had a bit of filler last time. Oh, is that what it is? Thursday Friday, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:That's the whole the you should have put concealer on it. That's the whole thing about when you get filler, because men can have it as well. I don't see it.
SPEAKER_01:I've never had a bruise before. Literally, never had a bruise.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, because it's under your eye, you get all these like duck things under there. Um, so yeah, you're prone to get bruising. But yeah, you look fresher, you look slimmer. Thank you. Um, yeah, you look better than the last time I saw you. Have you had your teeth done since?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I have. I wasn't hesitating to think, I didn't want to admit it, I was trying to think about the timing. Yeah, no, I hadn't done about a year or so after that. So let's get to the agenda.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you haven't even got an agenda. Yeah, this is what I love about me and Matt.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna go back to talk a lot.
SPEAKER_03:We will get lots out, don't worry.
SPEAKER_01:Because I want to try and talk about some things that haven't been talked about before. Uh, obviously, you are very vocal, very outspoken, so it might be hard to find hard to find some new things. But I want to let's not go too far back. I want to go back to when you and I last spoke.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Which was just after COVID. Obviously, we we we met uh we met through the podcast, spoke a few times after, and we last spoke as you were coming out of the priory in about two thousand in this is about March 2020. COVID's about to start, and you've gone into the priory. So um And then I broke my feet. And then you broke your feet. But before you broke your feet, tell me why why did you go into the priory? What was the first time? I think like was it the first time?
SPEAKER_03:I think I can't remember if that was the first or the second time. I've been in there twice as an impatient. Um, never ever, despite the media who love, love to hate me and put me down all the time. I've never been in there for addiction, for alcohol or drugs. I've got severe PTSD, and I was in there so for severe trauma rehabilitation. And I still see the therapist and a consultant now because I just think it's good for my head, because I still have a lot of shit going on, but I know how to deal with it.
SPEAKER_01:So I've you take yourself in there.
SPEAKER_03:Um yeah, I went and saw him a week before, and the week after is when I crashed my car, and then because I went in there a week before to say, look, because I was filming Mikey Mansion at the time. Was it that time or was it before? I can't even remember now. But to be honest, I've been in them both times for the same kind of reason. Uh media, exes, and the pressures. When you get depressed and it starts when you sort of get depressed, depressed is because you can't handle everything, all the pressures off everything. And then it was the exes, then like they trying to say about the bankruptcy, about the tax and that. But when you're depressed and ill, you start not communicating with anyone. So I didn't want to pick my phone up to anyone, didn't want to answer my emails, then you start getting bills through, then you're like, Oh, I've got that bill, now I've got that bill, that bill. Well, and before you know it, it becomes a massive noise in your head, like noise. And I didn't know how to cope. So then I'd go down and down more, didn't want to send the basically, I just had a breakdown. And then obviously, the husband, was it that time or was it before then? I can't remember who cheated on me. I can't remember who I was with then. So I've been in there twice, it's all like one noise to me now.
SPEAKER_01:You were single because when you came out and we last spoke, you then just got with Carl. You you and then you started to meet you start to meet Carl when you were coming out then.
SPEAKER_03:It was the first time then. Yeah, that was the first time I'd come you've been in. Um, it's all the same thing, pressures of like them saying about the bankruptcy, and it's the worst place to be in because they are horrible. The way they word letters, this and that, the pressure, you got this amount of days to pay this amount, this amount, and then you get more bills, more bills. And the thing is, when you're with when you're someone like me, if I don't go to work, no one can replace me. I am the product, and I hate that word, but I realise I'm a product. I have been to people. I've realised people weren't my friends. They're like, use me as a product, what they can earn money from, and then they don't care. So when you're in a situation like that, you realise who's really your friend and who's not. So I had to get rid of a lot of people around me. So I had the breakdown, had all my I was in there five weeks, both times, five weeks, and it's really hard in the priory. It's I think people just think you just sit in there and do nothing. You don't, you go to your lessons. When I say lessons, they're all time. I don't know. Have you ever been in the priory or anything like that?
SPEAKER_01:No, I don't know anyone else, so I've never seen it. Right.
SPEAKER_03:So basically, when you're in there, you get a time, you so you see the consultants, therapists, so they find out what courses are right for you. Um so everyone in there goes on something different because they're all like, Yeah, so you've either got addiction or general, basically, or they've got if you're anorexic, you know, they have all different things. So I was general, and general are people mainly who've got PTSD. And it's like it is like how you see the films, you all sit in circles and you hear each other's stories. Ones who want to talk, some don't, because they just haven't even got the energy to talk, or you'd be talking broader, wouldn't you? I did talk a lot in there, yeah. But yeah, you get to learn about validation, self-worth, assertiveness. They get to the root, they go into your brain to find out your triggers, what's triggered you off to get in this situation. I mean, it's so interesting. Art therapy. Art therapy is you walk in the session, and every time it's different, they might say, right, in the next 10 minutes, I want you to draw or put down on paper what's going on in your head today, like that. And you get loads of different sizes of papers, colours, pens, chalks, felt tips.
SPEAKER_01:And then do they analyse that then?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, what's on your brain? And I remember this particular picture, I chose an A3 size paper, and the quarter of it, I drew a line down it, and I put all stick men like falling with no faces, and then above each one, I put who were my my problems. It's so like media, police, social, manager, like and some of the ex's names, because they were the ones who are causing that in my brain. And then the other side, I drew a palm tree, sunshine, all my animals, the kids, all smiley faces, sunshine, because that's what I wanted. But at the moment, I'm dealing with that bit. That was what was on my mind, and the how they analyse it, because that's why I was in there, it's weird how they do it. And then another time I did art therapy, a different, but you have to style it with a door, you have to draw a door, and I drew my front door. So I suppose it's working towards now, if there's any bills, pressure, anything like this. Uh at the end of the day, it whether it's bad or not, if you communicate, that's that's the key. As soon as you ignore things, that's when it becomes a problem. So always communicate and then they know you're still there, not ignoring, so the problem doesn't get worse. You've just got to communicate. If you're in a bankruptcy or anything, you set up a payment plan, do all this. Because at the end of the day, there's so many people in this bankruptcy, and it's so annoying that the media every day, bankruptcy Kate, bankruptcy Kate. It's like, yeah, we get it. She's in a bankruptcy, so many people get in a bankruptcy, just let me get on with it.
SPEAKER_01:And you mentioned the media. I mean, obviously you've got to I can't stand.
SPEAKER_03:I don't care if they don't ever write about me again. I think they're so cruel. They mentally abuse me, and they just pick, pick, pick, pick. I can't remember a positive story they've ever written on me, ever. I can't, couldn't even tell you.
SPEAKER_01:Did they not used to? I mean, I can't remember 15, 20 years ago. Oh, it was different than then.
SPEAKER_03:It wasn't that it was good, it was playful. Um, I used to have such a good relationship with the media, and it was fun, fun times that was. But now, the past 15 years, it's been horrific, and it's just getting worse and worse. I honestly, I can't, I could not tell you a good story they've ever written about. I couldn't even, I can't even remember when that was. That's how bad it is. And I'm like, what do I do that's so I haven't murdered anyone, I've done nothing wrong. I'm a girl that's been in this industry, which is a hard industry to be in, cutthroat, this and that, you know, had a breakdown, come through it, survived everything after because I hung myself and I woke up from because I just didn't want to be here anymore. And I did, I woke up. You hung yourself a few years ago. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, really?
SPEAKER_03:And then I went in the priory because I just didn't want to be here, because the media and everyone are just on my case.
SPEAKER_01:Is that the only time you've tried to do that?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so that's why now I'd never let myself get in that place. So I have to look after my head. That I if I know I can't do something, like go go to a court to be ridiculed for the media to write about me. I I I know what I can take at the minute. The pressure's this and that. So I want when I go to work, I want to work and be me, not sit there stressed, lie, and I just want to be me. Whereas before I was suffering inside, but I'd be like, yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine. When I wasn't inside, I was crying, saying, No, I'm not alright. I need help, I need help. I don't want to be in that situation anymore. So I always speak out about how I feel. So now I control everything I do. No one controls me, I'm no one's product, I'm loving what I'm doing, and I've it's never been better. It's like, yeah, like the reset button. And I've been like this now, what, for a couple of years, year and a half, and it just goes to show when your mindset is set, like good path again, focus, it does work, but only you can do it. No one can tell you to do it. You have to do it, and you have to prove it to be, you have to turn up. You can't have excuses, you're not turning up for work. Or do you know what I mean? You have to prove it and be on form, basically.
SPEAKER_01:So, what's actually actually happened? Because obviously, I take everything I'd say in the press with a pinch of salt. So the first time we met, yeah, was gonna you were just about to maybe, and then you did have what was your first bankruptcy, I think, then.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, apparently I'm in another one. I didn't even know about that. I read that in the paper.
SPEAKER_01:But but but when you say apparently you are, are you saying that the press are talking shit?
SPEAKER_03:I I didn't even know about that one. I just know I'm in one.
SPEAKER_01:Are you in it though?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I just know I'm in one. I only read that I'm in another one, so I only knew that last week. So I've got to deal with that because I've I've had no letters about it.
SPEAKER_01:What do you have around you as as professional advisors? Because it's good, obviously that you know I don't anymore. Why? Because look, and I I feel I became noise and annoying for them.
SPEAKER_03:So at the end of the day, they can't help solve it. So it's like if there's a bill to pay, I've just got to do a payment plan with them and they find out what you earn. This say they might want to take a percentage of what you earn. So I'm I've got to get back to them and sort all that back out. But I'm I'm not ashamed of it. I'm I've turned a leaf around, I've come out of a really bad dark place, and the way my brain's connected now, it's like it's okay. You can deal with it, it's fine. It's not the end of the world, you're not dying, you've still got your family, you've still got your friends, you've still got your house. My house is safe. Everyone's always like, oh, our house is good. My house is safe. It uh bankruptcies are different with all different people, and people have to remember that you can get insolvency or I'm sure I'm still learning it all myself. But can you really go? I've just got to deal with them with it. I'm fine, I'm working, I'm in su I feel like I've just done a reset button from when I first started modelling and my head space then. I feel like I've gone back to that. I've had all these years of being ripped off, stitched up, um you name it, in shit places, this, that. And now through therapy, I feel like I've gone through a washing machine, tumble dry, come out the other end, learnt it all, and now I feel like I've reset the button because now doors are all open. I'm positive, manifest, the double numbers, and now I'm like, okay, it's okay. You're here, you're alive, you've gone through it, you've survived, and now it's just starting again. Not starting again, I mean my mindset, starting again, I'm earning well, I'm focused. It's like I've started again. Does that make sense? But yeah, you have the bankruptcy, but you do payment plans through and you pay them and then you just get on with it. But rebuilding, and that's what I've done. I mean, I feel like I'm in a better mindset than what I was then, and I'm earning again. Because when you go through a stagial breakdown and the papers write about it, people are like, oh no, she can't be right to go near because she's probably like mentally not do you know what I mean, mentally not able to work or whatever. And I was like that, but now I'm flying, like I'm having to turn work down now because I've learned don't take everything on all at once.
SPEAKER_01:You know, you've got you've got like what what work are you doing now, but what what makes up your income?
SPEAKER_03:I'm doing two shows for Channel 4 at the moment, and everyone knows they um take time to film. I'm doing loads of podcasts. I do the podcast with my sister. We've got a tour again in May. I'm touring um also through the summer.
SPEAKER_01:What's a tour? Like you go into theatres or something to do a show.
SPEAKER_03:Do our shows. Um, my book comes out in July, July the 18th. My new book, my autobiography. So obviously I've got a promo for that. Uh, what else am I doing? I'll do my OnlyFans, which I fucking love doing, because that's like the Jordan stuff, although I don't get nipples out or show anything. It's just like when I used to do loaded FHM and all, and I love being in front of the camera. I'm a show-off, I love it. You can't take that away from me. So I also do that.
SPEAKER_01:We've had quite a few people on here who've turned to OnlyFans. Anyone can do it. You're big mates with Kerry, aren't you? Kerry could say was on it.
SPEAKER_03:She goes a bit further than me now, but I'm just staying where I am. Do you know what? Girls and guys smash OnlyFans, and I think people think it's just for porn, this and that. It's not like the way I look at it is it's just like me doing my shoots I used to do, no different. But I love it, and it's good for my head because it's all I used to know and love doing. So I do that. Literally, I am so busy, and then I'm doing um a lot of um what are they called? Gay prides, doing half hour singing sets. Um, but once you've done that, the TV not just I'm just for and then I'm starting my YouTube channel up again because I left that. Um it's so hard to build subscribers on that. But I'm opening that again. I want to do more reality on that again.
SPEAKER_01:And with these court appearances, you know, with some of these things. I mean, and again, correct me if some of these are fake fake um comments in the press. But I mean, I've read comments that you've said like um um, you know, I don't care about the bankruptcy. I don't care if I go to the house.
SPEAKER_03:I've never said I don't care. I think what it is, I think I've got to a point where I'm so drained with it all that it's like if you want to put me, I have asked, I said if you put me in prison, just clear it all. Because it's just constant, nip, nip, nip. And I have said, look, if you could put me in prison just to clear it all, just do it. I'd rather you just do that than every day keep nitpicking, nitpicking, nipping, but they won't put me in prison because it's not fraud or anything.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, because I I guess what what I was trying to understand was like, I know the there'd been the driving thing recently, you know, where I think you've been done for.
SPEAKER_03:No, do you know what that is? So I should have got my licence back in April last year. And I did the online drink driving course, so you get your licence earlier. Um, so all on the course, uh, at the end of it, the guy on the course, I've got all emails, everything, because this is still ongoing. He said, Who were the high risk people and who weren't? So the high risk people, they're the ones who have to go and do a blood test because DVLA will want them to do a blood test. I wasn't high risk. And we sent the forms exactly because he explained to all of us on the course. We sent the forms off, filled out the forms. We all went through it online, what we had to do, sent it off. As far as I know, I was waiting for my driving licence. Um, didn't come, didn't come, kept calling DVLA, and then they said, Oh, we've had an anomalous phone call, uh, anomalous email saying that um you're not fit to drive. And I'm like, Well, I am, because I filled out the forms, I am fit to drive. Like, you know, you fill out forms if you've got a disability or drug use or or whatever, um, eyes, or you know, you fill out a fit to health form. So I filled it all out. Um I am there's nothing like nothing. Well, we've had an anomalous email. We were like, well, who's it from? We can't tell you. Well, what's it saying's wrong with me? We can't tell you. So we're gonna send you some more forms. Can you get your doctors to fill them out? So we took it to the doctors, took them to the consultant, they filled it out. Yep, she's fit to drive, nothing wrong with her, sent them back. Takes four to six weeks to process. But on the end of it, it says, um, if you're 100% know that you're fit to drive, that your doctors were clear you fit to drive, then you can still drive. So I carried on driving because I'm like, yeah, I am fit to drive, and my doctors have said I am. And that's when that came out. Because I was waiting for my licence, because we're like, yeah, I can drive. Because that thing at the end, the question is, can I still drive if I haven't got my licence, like actually in form? And it says you can, if you know you're gonna 100% pass. So that's why I drove because I know I am. What happens? They ring again. We've had another ominous, another anomalous email saying you're not fit to drive. We're like, but we filled out the forms, they need to fill them out again. Four times this has happened. Then I phoned and said, Look, I don't know why you're saying I'm not fit to drive. My doctors have said they're not filling out four times they've done it and said, Kate, we've never known this before. So you know, it's nearly a year now in April. I don't know what's going on with DVLA. You ring them up, you get pass, pass, pass. There's not actually someone you can talk to. And then um I phoned and said, Look, can I do the alcohol thing then? Because if you're saying I'm high risk now, when I wasn't high risk before, if you told me all this in the beginning, I would have done it. Done the blood test last summer, passed it, the alcohol thing, because I don't really drink, even though people think I do, I don't. Past that, waiting for the licence, yet again, another anomalous email. So it's just someone keeps ringing them up saying I'm not fit to drive, and then you have to wait. So I still haven't got my licence. And now I won't dare drive because I don't know what's going on. But when they caught me, I thought I could drive. The car was insured, everything like that. I've even got insurance for the car because they went on the DVLL site. We sent them all the forms that I'd done the course when I could get my driving licence back, and that's where I am. It's discrimination again. Everything I do, someone tries to pick or do something. So, really, I should be driving. And you and you haven't stuck a lawyer on it? Even the lawyers can't get hold of them unless the the only thing we could because there's no one, there's no contact you can do. DVLA, don't you? You just go online, you get like, if you need this help, need this help, you go through it's a switch. There's not actually an email or someone you can actually deal with on there. And the lawyers are like, they've never heard of this situation with anyone before either. I've spoken to three different lawyers, they all said the same, Kate. I don't need this, has never happened before. It's unheard because they've looked at the forms, it's like, yeah, you can drive, but they're not telling me who this anomalous person is and what why they're saying I'm not fit to drive. When my doctors have cleared it four times, the forms. I've done their blood test last summer with DVLA, because you have to go to a DVLA doctor and they take your blood to check your alcohol levels in case they think I'm harvesting, and I passed all that. So I should be having my licence. So I don't know what's gone on it now. There's no one to get hold of. And that really affects me because like if I just want to jump in the car and go to my friends' houses with my kids to have a cup of tea, I can't do it. And I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere, no shop, I can't walk to a shop. So that does affect a lot of things at the minute for me. When I've done my time, I've done my two years not driving, done my community service, done it all, and a year on, I still haven't got my licence. For what reason? There isn't a reason. I'm fit to drive, pass the alcohol blood test, and I've still haven't got my licence. I don't, I don't know what's going on. But it's discrimination, just like the media. They write stuff like they said the bailiffs took my horse. What the fuck? Bailiffs haven't taken my horse. So then I did a video with my horse at my house saying, hi, well, it's apparently you've been taken off me. And it's things like that. But I don't want to keep, I've learnt not to put stuff on Instagram, not to retaliate things. I've learnt that because it then creates more media stuff. Fuels the fire. And I've learnt not to do it. But when it the bottom blow, when they said they've taken my horse and put it all over, I'm like, are you actually for real? So that's why I've done a video of my horse. Because I don't want to have to keep justifying, justifying. But it's they will write anything, anything, and people believe it. And I'm like, no, I'm working really hard, I'm earning good, and it's like a Vader reset button. I couldn't be in a better position than I'm in now. I love it.
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SPEAKER_01:I just want to talk about people and people around you. So I said to you a minute ago, who um like who's advising with this stuff or who's helping you? Said you know, nobody. Then obviously, with all these different work things you're doing, I mean, especially when it comes to books and channel four. I mean, oh no, I have people who do content. Oh, yeah, no, I do.
SPEAKER_03:I thought you meant like I don't have an entourage, don't have a manager anymore. Um, they ripped me off or they've done bits. I just don't I don't trust anybody anymore. Don't trust anyone because I've had friends let me down who I thought were my friends. Friends betray me, friends sell stories, managers the same. You think they're close when really they just want their 20%. I don't trust anyone anymore, Matt. Like nobody. So I've got rid of some people.
SPEAKER_01:I get given obviously everything that's happened during the.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I just keep a close knit around me, and the people around me are the ones I belly laugh with. And when I say belly laugh, actually laugh. Like laugh, and so I've got like a PA that helps me do all my stuff. I've got the housekeeper. What I mean is I've got such a good thing around me, so now I'm able to go to work, come back, enjoy stuff with my kids instead of me coming back, having to clean, do the washing, do I've just got everything all set up nice. So now I can go to I can concentrate and I'll bring in my format back. I want to do my perfumes, bikinis, my underwear. I'm bringing it all back. But it's taken a few years to get to this point because mentally I wasn't strong enough. And don't get me wrong behind the scenes. I'm still dealing with stuff with the kids um situations there, which isn't nice. And there's been a couple of court dates I've had to go to, and obviously I still see my consultant because I still have to look after my brain and my head and myself, but to sit in court and be ridiculed by media and barristers and have public there, my head's not ready for that. So it's slow steps, but I'm in control of everything. I know what I'm doing, I know what my head can take, and I never knew how to handle all that before. So I feel in a good place now, and I'm working loads, and I love it. I just love it that yeah, I'm loving it.
SPEAKER_01:And how how do you pick now, do you think, or how will you pick people to to be a friend to go into a circle? Because I guess and just let me finish. Because obviously I get that you've been let down by all these people, yeah, but it's also not realistic to say that every single person in the world's a person. Oh no, no, I don't see that. Yeah, no. I mean, uh would you say you've been a bad judge of character?
SPEAKER_03:People take kindness, my kindness as a weakness. They take, you know do you know what I mean? It's like, I'm too kind. I'm the type of person, if someone said, Okay, I need somewhere to stay, or something's happened, I'm like, yeah, come and stay with me. And then even if they end up overstaying, I'm not the kind of person to say, look, I think you've overstayed now, you need to go. And inside it would more wind me up, but I'm still being. Yeah, exactly. So there's none of that anymore. I'm not having people take the piss out of me, um, which I used to. Um, and for example, if you go for dinner, the bill would always come to me. And it's like, am I paying for my entertainment? Like, if you can't afford to come to some of these places, don't come. Just say you don't come. Don't think, oh, Kate's gonna pay, Kate's. It's situations like that where I feel I've got the real people around, of course, I'm always open. I have found new friends as well who I love and amazing. So, yeah, I am still open for new friendships and stuff. Like, I've still got some of my old friends, but there's a lot of people around me who I realise weren't.
SPEAKER_01:And with the new friends, what makes you think you can you can trust them more than the old ones that you thought you could trust at the time then?
SPEAKER_03:It's just still, for example, messaging or phone calls. How are you, Kay? What's then not about me, me, me, me. Oh, what event are you going to? Or oh, can I come to that? This that it's there's nothing like that. It's not even about work. It's like, oh, what you up to, how you feeling, what you're doing? Oh, if you watch this on Telenet, I'd ask them about themselves. I'm like, oh, should we get the kids together? Should we go and do something? Like normal, normal friendship. Do you know what I mean? Or do you want to come around for lunch? I'll make you something, or we go there, or it's just equal balance. Whereas before I realised it was just me giving, me offering. Like, I think that's because I might have been needy thinking, oh, if I don't offer them to come here, or if they don't do that, they won't want to be my friend. You just go through all of that. And so now it's like, no, if you've got a friend, you you've both got to be in it together. It works. I suppose it's like a relationship, but I know with the friends around me now, I might not speak to them for a couple of months, but I could pick up the phone, we just pick off where we are. That's what I call a friend. Or I've got a couple of friends I haven't might not have seen for a year. Not because that just because we're busy and they don't live, we don't live near each other. But then when we see each other, we just finish off where we started. Like they're the kind of friends.
SPEAKER_01:And what about with with men then? Because again, it's very easy for me or the general public to make comments from the outside looking in and not know what really goes on behind closed doors. But I I imagine we would all say, you know, you look at you and it's history repeating itself. You're always upset.
SPEAKER_03:So this is the situation I'm in. If I'm pictured with someone, automatically the papers, it looks like I'm shagging them. If I'm pictured with a man, if I'm pictured with a woman, they don't say nothing. What am I not allowed to have male friends? Now, if I do want to see someone or see them, the papers would be like, oh, she's a slag, or she's with another and another one. So it doesn't really give me that much of an option. I'd rather say, Yeah, I'm with them, so I'm not with anyone else. It's a hard situation. I'm damned, doomed, or damned whatever I do. I haven't had as many people as what people think. I've been married three times and yeah, I am 45. So of course I I've I suppose every I have I don't do dating, I don't go on dates, I haven't been on a dating site. So what am I not allowed to just go for dinner with someone or something like that? It's I can't win whatever I do. Do you know what I mean? I can be on my own, and I didn't want a relationship when I split with Cole because I've done with it. Done, done, done. And then obviously, I met up with J and like with JJ, it hasn't happened quick because we've been talking for months before. But it's it's like, why do I have to explain to anyone out there what I'm doing and who I'm talking to? But I think because he was on TV and people, some people recognise him when we're out or whatever, it's it's hard for me. But if I want to keep someone private, I can keep them private. And if that person wants to be private, they can be private. And I think that does scare a lot of people that they think, oh, they'd want to be with me, but they don't want to be in the media. You don't have to be in the media. Do you know what I mean? Um, you don't have to put posts up on Instagram, you don't have to do any of it. I think people are so sucked in about everything has to be on Instagram. You have to tell everyone what you're doing. I don't tell everyone what I'm doing now because I don't need to and I don't want to. Whereas before I did.
SPEAKER_01:And how do you deal with trust? Do you do you do you give it until it's gone or do you or do you check up, check up, check up?
SPEAKER_03:No, I can't be asked with the check-up. No, that's that's wrong. You shouldn't have to check up. You should just try to let them get on with their day. If they're like, well, I'm going to work now or whatever, like, okay, I'll speak to you later. Then you've got something to talk about at the end of the day, not like what you're up to now, what you're doing, where you're going, what's on you about that that's unhealthy. Just let them get on with it. And then you've got something to talk about at the end of the day. Like, I've learned that you can't suffocate someone. No one owns anybody. You've got to be your own person and get on with it. How do you But you commute- you've got to have that nice communication with that person as well.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think it is? It's kept you kept you in the press for 30 years. I mean, I know there's been so many.
SPEAKER_03:I actually don't know that answer because I've seen so many boy bands, girl bands, presenters, this, that models come and go, come, had their height, and then down, gone. But I'm still here. It's like it's not that I try and recreate myself. I'm not recreating myself. I just do what I do. I'm not manufactured. I've got no one saying, be like this, say this, say that. I just, I'm just myself. And I think, because I've been in the industry so long, it I suppose my my life's like a soap story, like a soap series, but in print or in life. But if people have to remember, but it really is my life. It's not like East Enders or Coronation Street, a script. My life is like a soap. Well, it really is happening to me, and people follow it. So yeah, I think people can relate that I'm normal and I do go through true life events and then I get through them. I'm like a survivor. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Do you think do you think you've got another 30 years in you?
SPEAKER_03:Fuck me, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And you want it?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I'm so and this is another thing. What people say, it's weird. Because in the beginning, all people who were like runners are now directors or producers of shows. And because every time they meet me, they're like, Kate, you're the same, but I'm still got that hunger. I've still got that hunger, that drive for it. I'm not bored, I'm not lazy, I want it. I'm still hungry. And I know this is I've had a good time, I've been through the shit, the turning point, and I'm hungry, and I will do it again. And I love it when people say, No, you won't, no, you won't. I'm like, Yeah, I will, because that's all I've heard all my life, and I am, I'm back on it.
SPEAKER_01:Does it ever scare you that you may wake up tomorrow and everybody has lost interest in you?
SPEAKER_03:If they have, they have, then I'd take that path. But I'm always like, if people say, if you don't like it, walk away. But how can I walk away? Because then you'll get perhaps and I want to see what else I'm doing. I couldn't exactly go into a normal job, could I? Because like it just it's weird. I don't know. But if people walk away, they walk away, I'm fine. I'm just I'm fine, I can carry on life without any of it. I'm I'm comfy to do that.
SPEAKER_01:If you lost everything tomorrow and had to walk away, what would what would that normal job be? Do you think? What do you think the fit the first way you'd recover from?
SPEAKER_03:I would be paramedic. Because I was I still want to train to be a paramedic.
SPEAKER_01:We talked about that last time we were on the podcast.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I just haven't had time. It's a five-year course.
SPEAKER_01:You started it back then, though, aren't you?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, yeah, starting it, and I'm like, I've now redone it again, getting all the forms, the placement, because I want to go to uni and do all of that. And it's another thing. I'm trying to see a way how I can how we can do it and fit it in. But at the moment, there's so much going on in my life, like one thing at a time, Kate. But you're never too old to be a paramedic, you're never too old to help people. Um, so yeah, what what I just take each day is if it's your last, because you never know when your day's up. So just enjoy and do what you can in each day. And my priorities are my kids, my career, obviously, family and friends, all you know, all together.
SPEAKER_01:What what's been the best earning times over your over your career? When do you think you earned the most?
SPEAKER_03:I think it's starting to be good again now. All these opportunities. Um the only thing that isn't what we do, the only thing I'm earning good like I did before. Um, but the only thing I'm not doing what I did before is like the okay magazines when they used to pay so much money for shoots. I just don't bother with them because they just don't pay enough, and I'm not gonna waste my time. No, but that was a good income then. They were good incomes. But other than that, my book deals or they all still, yeah, it's all I I don't ever do anything cheap. Because once you do cheap, the word gets around, they always want you cheap.
SPEAKER_01:What do you think you've earned over your career?
SPEAKER_03:Fuck no, I wouldn't have a clue.
SPEAKER_01:Throw me a number. Ten, five, two, two.
SPEAKER_03:I remember I was in the Times Rich List. I wouldn't have a clue. I could I could not even put a number. Millions. Not a billionaire. And do you I wish I manifest for that.
SPEAKER_01:And so I guess let's move that on to regrets then. I mean, do you agree? I mean, you must have burnt through some fucking cash. Uh do you know?
SPEAKER_03:I don't really, I'm not a flash person. If I'm honest, do you know who have taken a lot of my money? Are lawyers and for divorces. Lawyers and divorces, take your money. Um, yeah, you should always pay your tax, this and that. But obviously, I went through a breakdown, so then I didn't pay tax, and that's sort of where the bankruptcy things come from. And I will pay it, it just has to be when I've got it. Because I do have a lot, I play the mum and dad role, I have bills to pay, I've got outgoings, this, I've got to live. Yeah, I'm I'm like, no, I know what I'm doing. I feel good because I'm in control, not other people control it. Whereas before other people controlling it, and I think when I look back, because when you earn so much money, do people take it? Do you know? Do you check? You don't when you earn so much, you don't really check. You don't check because you're like, so I've got loads of money there. Whereas now, I mean control, I know what I've got, I know where it goes, I know what I do, I know what I spend on, and and that's it.
SPEAKER_01:And you look after all that yourself.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, you still have an accountant because you have to have all that.
SPEAKER_01:I mean if a year and like like week to week, day to day, you you only you touch your money.
SPEAKER_03:Everything's invoiced, I know what I do, know where my money goes, I know what I do, know what I have to put out for to the trustees, this and all of that. So, yeah. So I don't know why they keep going on about the bankruptcy, it's just so boring. Just get over it.
SPEAKER_01:When you spoke of that entrepreneurs event or when you talk about business, what's I mean, what do you think your key business skills are?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I always say to anyone who's starting out, start small, not big. Like if you want to start a clothing brand, say like you want to bring out tracksuits or something, just start with like two hoodies, different colour, two hoodies, and then when you get your money back in, instead of spending that, pull it back into stock, buy more stock. And then you grow like that. Because I think some people they just think, right, I'm gonna get everything in all these colours, all these hoodies, spend all this money, and then they're left with stock they can't sell. I always say start small and start with a business and then grow it, grow it, put money back in, grow it, grow it, money back in. Things like that. You can work from home now. Like, I think because everything's so forward now, you've got socials, you've got, you know, everything's online now. So you don't have all these overheads. Like, if you want stuff in a shop, you have to pay overhead shop stuff, distribution, this, that. You could do everything from home. A lot of it you could do from home now. Um, and I think because of COVID, you started doing Zoom calls, this and that. Most people do Zooms and meetings on Zooms and all that. Things have just changed now. So I'm at home more than what people think now. You know, I could do my TikTok shop from home. Like, there's just loads you could do at home, and it's so much better.
SPEAKER_01:And tell me about the Katie Price show.
SPEAKER_03:The Katie Price showed my haycock show with my sister. Literally, I didn't realise how big podcasts are. And I'm always talking to my family and my sister, and this company approached us saying, Why don't you do a podcast? And we do, we just talk about anything. Um, it's top number 30 in the whole podcast charts.
SPEAKER_01:And you and your sister took like.
SPEAKER_03:Me and my sister, yeah. And I said, How many people do podcasts? They're like, thousands and thousands. I'm like, what? And we're number 30. They're like, yeah, and I'm like, bloody hell. I mean, that that's an achievement. We're in the top five for comedy, and I'm like, we're in the comedy. How the fuck has that happened? I'm not even funny.
SPEAKER_01:How often do you is it weekly?
SPEAKER_03:Weekly we do it, yeah. Then there's a subscription for the bonus episodes, and we just do it weekly, and then from that, we started in June, last June, and then I said, Can we do a theatre night? They're like, Oh no, you've only just started in June. Like, that's unheard of. Like, you've got at least go for a year.
SPEAKER_01:Like a live podcast, you mean?
SPEAKER_03:In at a theatre. I said, Well, I want to do it. Let's try it. And we did, and we sold out the theatre in one night. Oh, maybe so. From that, now we've got a theatre tour. So uh we've got all dates, it starts in May until June. Going up and down the country doing our podcast show.
SPEAKER_01:And when you're doing the podcast, or so when you do it, we're on stage and in the theatre. Are you recording as a live as a podcast?
SPEAKER_03:No, we don't record it live, it's just a show that we do. So, yeah, so I surprised them there. They said that's unheard of. You haven't even done it a year and now you're on tour. So it just goes to show if you put effort into things, it happens. You've got to do it. You can't just come off and come and think, oh yeah, I'll go and do a podcast today. You we do it every week, consistency. And that's how you get the viewers, the listeners, because then we might be like, oh my god, so we got this with this happening this week. If you want to know what happened, listen to next week. So it's consistent. Um, and then people get to know you, we get readers' questions in, things like that. It's actually really fun.
SPEAKER_01:How do you balance or protect or whatever the correct word is with the kids? Because I mean, obviously, you're you on on uh whether it's with the press, with the kids, whatever. Yeah. And I know it's it's very easy to say, oh, I I don't give a fuck, and you know, this doesn't affect the kids. But there's there's got there's got to be times over. But I do protect the kids when they see what you don't want them to see.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I can't hide anything I've done, and I the kids will know they've got what they've got and whatever because of what I've done. I haven't, as far as I'm saying, I haven't done anything bad. I have not done anything bad. If anything, they should look up to me and think, God, my mum's a grafter, she's a worker, she works hard.
SPEAKER_01:Has there been any one particular standout incident or story from the press which you know which the kids have to do?
SPEAKER_03:I think the kids, because they're they're at home and they know me and my family friends, so they know the truth. That that's what's important. People around you know really what's going on. Like the older kids, Junior and Princess, they've been brought up with it all. And so they've got their own careers from it. And I think because they've seen it all, they know how the media works, what they're like. They know if they're gonna get interviewed, they're gonna try and get asked tricky questions or whatever. But they they're smart. They because they've grown up with, they don't know any different. Like, I don't know any different.
SPEAKER_01:Do you do you help the kids with their careers? Because I'm I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not one of these pushy mums.
SPEAKER_01:I still push, but you but do you have do you can do you help? Do you give them contacts? Do you give them a chance?
SPEAKER_03:There's an ex-manager of mine who are trying to do the same with take my kids off me in that way as well. One of my kids is sucked into it, and the other one is very like me. No, I do what I want to do. No one's telling me what to do. I'm not naming them, but one of them knows I'm their mum. The other one, I think they all disrespect me as a mum, like as if I'm nothing. Like, and the people around them look at me like I'm nothing. You don't have to tell your mum nothing, don't report nothing to your mum. We don't even want your mum there. One of my kids was uh had a thing on, but I wasn't allowed to go because the management and that were there, and then my sister and her husband went, and they weren't allowed backstage with it all because they're like, no, you're not here, but we give you some passes to get free drinks. That's how my family's treated from the management. It's disgusting. But I can't tell my they learn themselves, I can only give my advice, and they know that I know how to do the press press calls, this, that's what I know. It's like if you go to a red carpet, why do people go to red carpet? If there's a film premiere, why do people go to red carpet? Because they want to be seen. So if you're gonna be seen, you want a headline or whatever. This is how I used to. Now I don't care what I wear, it's like if they want to put me in the paper, they do, if they don't, they don't. It's not like I need it. And that's not being arrogant because I've been in it long enough, 30 years this year. Um wear an amazing dress or wear an amazing outfit or suit or something, because you're there to be seen. You you need the press. Don't like, I know how to work it, and I can only say, look, if you're gonna go somewhere, make sure you stand out, like, be different. Don't be the run of the meal like everyone else. Because I know that works, because that's what I used to do, or that's what I love doing anyway.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, obviously, I know you're someone who who who likes to bounce back, who likes to likes to be positive.
SPEAKER_03:I've definitely bounced back more times than hot dinners, Jesus.
SPEAKER_01:But but what what what about regrets? I mean, you know, what what do you really truly regret? Relationships.
SPEAKER_03:Specific ones, or just just men in gener in general that um yeah, but I suppose it's maybe the person I am now, but I think relationships are big things I've regretted because I I started this industry young. I suppose I was needy, gullible. But since therapy, I've learned no, for a man to be with me, they're lucky. Not me thinking, oh, I'm lucky to be with that man. No, they're lucky to be. I've got five beautiful kids. Um, I work, I'm independent, got my own house. So any man that comes to me, no, they're lucky. Whereas some people might say, What? How can they be lucky? You're 45, got five kids. I'm like, so what? Five, they're still five human beings, and it's still what I'm trying to say, I'm a family person. Yeah, I know I'm nuts and I love being nuts. You know, I've done I've got um, not that I care about a label last year, diagnosed with severe ADHD. But in a way, I'm glad because that's the creative side of me. You can't change who I am, you can't change my personality. I'm professional when I need to be. And if I'm out for my friends' party and then I'm like, yeah, I'm here, I'm like the entertainer, because that's just me. I'm just I'm just me. You just can't change that. Yeah, and so relationships are regretful because now I know my worth, I know what I want, I know what I want from a relationship, not just jump in one and go, oh yeah, look, they're good looking, they might have a good body, oh, I'll be with them. I'm over all that. Like, what do you want? To me, it's more connect, having a laugh, the personality of some having a laugh, what they can bring, what I can bring. And that's nothing to do with money or nothing like that. It's like you want a best friend in a man. You want to know that you can go on holiday or do anything, but you can have a laugh together, not think, oh no, is he gonna moan about what I'm wearing? Or if there's a person across the table, am I too scared to say, oh hi, how are you two? What are you doing? Do you know what I mean? Without getting told off about everything that you do. I think I've been in a lot of controlling relationships, controlling relationships, jealousy, and all of that. Practically all of them have been like that, and it's not healthy, it's toxic, not healthy relationships. I don't want that. I want someone to accept what I do for a living, accept what comes with it, because if you can't, you can't change me, you can't change what comes with me, and you can't change that I get media attention, you can't change that if I go out, people want pictures, this and that. That's just me, I can't help that. I I can't change that. And I don't want something they can change me. The important thing in a relationship, you adapt to be with it. Everyone has to adapt to a bit to be in a relationship to make it work. I mean, if you're in a late relationship, you do things together, but also it's healthy if they want to go out with their friends. Do you know what I mean? You've got to be healthy and just trust, loyalty is the best thing. I think if someone crosses your trust or cheat on you or message someone else or has a flirting message, then you know their head's not in it with you. If you can sit there with your other half and have banter with other people while they're there, then that's more fun.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you mentioned teeth and turkey, and I guess uh, you know, we can't we can't talk to Katie Price without uh without without without talking plastic surgery in the phone.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_01:And I would be responsible for 10% of the gross domestic income of Turkey.
SPEAKER_03:I absolutely love it. And the thing is Why? Why? Because I just like I don't know. This is the thing. I've I've probably got this. Everyone says I've got body dysmorphia. I probably have got it. Um I don't know, it's I don't have surgery to look younger because you're all gonna get old and I'm not scared of getting old. I just like to look fresher. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01:But but do you think the repetition I tell everyone what I do?
SPEAKER_03:It's not like, no, I haven't had surgery. There's so many girls out there who've had so much done. Oh, I'm natural. No, you're fucking not natural. I tell the truth because I don't care. If I think something I've had a procedure and it's not worth doing, I'll say, look, I've tried it, don't do it.
SPEAKER_01:But like use tits as an example, right? So you know a girl's not happy with her tits, she gets some, she gets a boob job, she gets them made bigger. And it's you know, and the only time she may do it again is years down the line when they need replacing. I mean, how many of you had now?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I actually don't know. Run out of fingers.
SPEAKER_03:Even if I Google, they seem to know more than me.
SPEAKER_01:But what what what would your reasoning or you know, obviously your first time you did it you're like, sometimes I think, oh, I want bigger boobs, bigger and bigger and bigger.
SPEAKER_03:Sometimes I think, oh, I want bigger boobs. And then sometimes I'm like, oh no, I want them smaller again. I don't know. Maybe I've got a relationship with my boobs as well. Do I want them big? Do I want them small? Do I want my lips bigger? Do I want them smaller? I don't know. It's just, I think because I can change it all, I do. But I I am 45, I'm not a young kid, so I'm an adult, and that's my choice to make. But I do think a lot of girls who are young now, and I wish, I think there should be a law that girls start plastic surgery. Like if they want their boobs, they should be 21. I've done one when I'm 18. I look at Princess, she's 17, a year away from being 18. It's far too young to be having anesthetic and that. If I could turn the clock back now, I can un now I know what I put my mum through. Because I am, you're a baby, really, when you're that age.
SPEAKER_01:And what and what does Princess say about it? I mean, do she? Oh no, she don't want it. She doesn't want procedures.
SPEAKER_03:I think I've put my kids off for life for surgery. But she don't need it. Everyone said I didn't need it, but I I wanted it and I thought I needed it. Um, but I think girls these days, they have so much filler. I know I sit, I haven't got filler in my face, I've like had it done through my lips. But I think so many girls young these days have so much filler, all of this to their face, they have all their jaw done. A lot of them look like aliens, or a lot of them look the same. You go on Instagram, they all look the same. And I'm like, you're so young. What are you gonna be like when you're my age, 45? If you if you look like that and you're addicted to that now, what are you gonna look like at my age? You know, when I started my career, they didn't airbrush pictures, there was no such thing as that. So I did my career without airbrushing all of this, making me look skinner, this and that, it just how it was. But nowadays, I think because you can airbrush this, that there's so many catfishes out there, and I feel sorry for some guys if they go on dates with girls because they're probably like, fucking hell, she that's not the one in the picture, and it's that's just the way things are now. But like, if I could give advice to young gals, just don't do it all. You don't, don't do it all, and don't do it all at once. Just take your time. You've got your whole life to do it all. But now I'm on a mission. I when I'm 70, I'll probably still be fucking doing it. What are you having next? I haven't there's nothing I've wanted. I've done I might get my boobs smaller, not too much smaller, just a little bit smaller. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:What normally happens, you wake up, you're like, I want to change this plane plane tomorrow to Turkey or go.
SPEAKER_03:But the thing is for me, I heal really well. I'm a good healer, and I think that's probably why I've had so many procedures, because I heal well. A lot of people don't. And there's always a danger that um the thing is you always see before and after pictures. Whereas me, I don't care if people see in between pictures what it looks like after surgery. The the bit that you go for where you look horrific. People don't really show that, whereas I do. And it is serious. Every time you're put under, it's serious, it's a general anesthetic, you know. It's not good for your body. But I'm older and I do what I want to do.
SPEAKER_01:So I do. We spoke at the beginning about obviously about the prior experience, about uh some of the ways they were they were helping you cope and recover in there. Uh I mean, what what what have you brought into into your daily life now in in terms of of trying to reduce stress, trying to trying to I guess not let these relapses happen?
SPEAKER_03:I suppose it's oh that that's what I mean. It's not a relapse. A relapse to me, you know. Yeah, no, I know what you mean. Like, I know my triggers, but I've got rid of people around me. I don't put myself in situations. Um I've yeah, it like my my whole support group around me, everything's just changed. And I'm happier, I'm in a good place. There's no agendas going on with anyone, or I don't have to worry, like, is my friend gonna try and try it on with my husband and that. Because that's another thing. Women's instincts are so go with your instinct. My instincts have never, ever let me down. Every time I've had an instinct about something, it's come true. Girls know. For girls, if you think that your friend Francis your other half of something, you'll be right. You'll be right. Instincts have never let me down. I don't want people around me where I think that, like, no, it's just all change. Like, I go out if I want to go. Like the other night, oh part from the papers said I was bankrupt buying all these drinks. I bought a round and my friend bought a round, and then we went home. This is an example how I've changed. We went and saw Priscilla, a theatre show. So I went with um the guy who's gonna write my West End show uh about my life, and I met him in Panto in Liverpool because he wrote that and he writes shows and he does events and stuff. Oh, that's another thing I'm doing, a West End show about my life. So I went with him, he's have half a um we uh I don't know, I'll get some to play when I might do some appearances in it. So we went to the event. You had your celeb bit where all the celebs wanted to go, having drinks, taking advantage of the free drinks. And I was like, no, I just really want a good seat in it. I actually want to watch the show. I don't give a fuck who's there. I don't give a shit who's there. I don't need to mingle with anyone and have that small talk, bollocks talk. I can't bear it. I've done it for years, I don't need to do it. So we literally got a drink, sat down watching the show, and in the interval, got another drink. Soon as the show finished, the PR lady of the show, she was so good, got a straightener car and we went home. Whereas after they had an after party, all that. I wasn't there, I was there to watch the show, but yet the papers were like, oh yeah, she spent loads of money getting drink. And no, we weren't at all. It wasn't even like that. And it's like they put in the papers the other day, I had this entrepreneur speech where they had speakers there. And um, I took Bunny riding in the day, we got lunch, and then I knew my time slot to go on stage when they wanted to interview me about business. Bunny wanted to come, she came. So I had all different outfits because I didn't know what I wanted to wear. And Bunny being bunny, she always wears my shoes and she loves putting makeup on. So I was like, fine, but they get a picture of Bunny in my high heels and makeup saying I took her to an over 18s event where there was burlesque dancers. We didn't see any of that. I got there, done my job, and went home. But the papers put a picture up, like oh, she took her kids watching these burlesque shows. But we didn't. But this is what I mean about the media, they tarnish everything I do. Not like, oh, isn't it good that Kate's with her kids, you know, she doesn't work, her kid wanted to come with her, so she did. Jet didn't want to, so he didn't come. Life to me is like a pie chart. So you've got to, if you do a pie chart, for example, anyone can do it. Do a pie chart of how much time you work, how much time you spend with your family, how much self-care you have, how much holidays you have, and actually look at that and think if you want to change that. And that's what I did, so I changed it. So I want to spend time in my family more than anything. And I want to work, and then holidays when when we can. Self-love, so you just gotta make it equal so it fits in with your life. Where I never used to do that before. I was be just be like, go, go, go, go, go.
SPEAKER_01:But tell me, if we were to record again in another four years' time, will you be less chaotic, more relaxed, and where would you like to see yourself at that time?
SPEAKER_03:I'll have more of my empire back out there, more of an empire. I've got Daisy May Cooper who wants to do a Netflix um my life story for Netflix. Um, so hopefully my Netflix story life will be out on Netflix. I'll have my West End show out, I'll be doing the podcasts, um, have my perfumes, underwear, swimwear, clothing back on track. All the TV shows. Um, I'm supposed to go into Texas at the end of the year to interview Men on Death Row for a show that I'm doing, Serial Killers. All of that because I love the crime. Got my book coming out this year. Like just every door's open and I'm happy and I choose what I want to do, and I'm loving it. And you might have smaller boobs. Well, I might have had them done about four times. Different face, different teeth. I'll definitely have my face done by then. I want my upper thing done like that. I say I want it, I the seed's there, so I will be doing it.
SPEAKER_01:I have no doubt. Listen, Katie, it's been a pleasure. I'm sure the next four years are going to be as adventurous as the last year. Thank you so much for watching me.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. Thanks, listeners.