Stripping Off with Matt Haycox
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Stripping Off with Matt Haycox
James Lock: The Truth Behind His Public Breakdown, Toxic TOWIE Exit & Body Dysmorphia
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Most people know James “Lockie” Locke from TOWIE. But the version the public sees isn’t the one he lives with every day.
In this conversation, James opens up about growing up in a broken home, the emotional walls he built to survive, and how those same walls later destroyed his friendships, relationships and sense of identity. He talks honestly about being judged, misunderstood, and constantly performing a version of himself that never felt real.
James reveals the truth behind his dating breakdowns, life after separation, business failures, and being labelled “the fall guy.” He shares the pressure to stay in shape while suffering body dysmorphia, the impact of fame on his mental health, and why stepping away from TOWIE wasn’t a career move, it was a life decision.
Timestamps
00:00 – Intro
01:02 – Coming Up
05:08 – Growing Up in a Broken Home
09:01 – Is James Lock Vulnerable?
12:41 – Self-Awareness and Identity
15:06 – People Pleasing, Losing Friends & Finding Happiness
20:52 – The Dating Downfall
23:55 – Life After Separation
24:43 – Why “Money Doesn’t Make You Happy” Is Bollocks
28:10 – Business Failures, Partnerships & Being the Fall Guy
31:52 – The Truth Behind His Physique
35:20 – Launching Lockie’s Fitness App
40:42 – Battling Body Dysmorphia
50:30 – The “Stop Giving a F*ck” Mindset Shift
54:15 – Leaving TOWIE
01:00:21 – Ex On The Beach Drama
01:03:29 – His Five-Year Plan
01:04:38 – Final Thoughts
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Don't like me, don't fuck me in your podcast. The concern off fuck them, Mr. James Locke. I want to delve deep and try and find the real James Locke. It's fundamentally you do need two parents. Because if your mum and dad are split up, it does have a knock-on effect. You said that one of your downfalls, you invest in girls first. What makes me very powerful as a person is that I'm very doesn't mean I don't make the same mistakes. You've always put your fingers in different eyes. I imagine your dad's an influence in this respect. Every day when you work for yourself, you wake up with nothing. It's down to you to go out and get it.
SPEAKER_01:You've got to take control of your own life. You said that when you were a kid, you're a little fatty. Last time you've seen me on rips, if I, you know, in a couple of weeks' time was pictured eating a fucking donut, big fat fuck, that would make your headline nudes. You've been quite open with your battles with body dysmorphia. You're finding fault for yourself. I look shit there. No, you don't. No one thinks about you as much as you think about yourself. That's what you need to remember.
SPEAKER_00:Is that something that's developed what we've been on the TV and more in the public eye? Whether you like it or not, this is a very vain industry. The better you look, the more money you make. What about anxiety? I think you you you've you've struggled with that as well.
SPEAKER_01:Anxiety, I think everyone struggles with anxiety in some aspect. Even me, someone that comes into the room, I'm very confident. I go into certain situations, you know, I meet a lot of people from different backgrounds, you know, as you probably do, um, with business, uh, events, networking. And, you know, sometimes it is when you're going to into an environment that you you're not comfortable with, you know, they're not one of your own. If you're like, not something you're brought up with or brought up around, where it's second nature. It can be uncomfortable and it will give you anxiety. Like I could have done a podcast with someone else, and that person I might never have met before. It's natural, it might be anxiety, it might be minimal anxiety, but it's still anxiety to a certain degree. Turn up the you know, the anticipation, you know, apprehension of meeting that person. You don't know, you know, you need to gauge that person. I could have sat here, not got on, you could have been hard, whoever you are, like hard work, and it would have made this podcast painful.
SPEAKER_00:And how how do you control? I mean, I guess for you or for the people, what do you do to make it better?
SPEAKER_01:Again, overthinking. Overthinking is the worst thing in the world. Overthinking, overanalysing, see whether it be body dysmorphia, um, and you're overanalyzed, don't stop. Stop overanalysing. Take a couple of pictures, just stop. You have to just stop yourself, you know, and be like, listen, that's sweet. That one's fine, done. Leave it at that. Don't keep looking at it. Pick a picture. John's saying, go into a room, don't overthink it. I could sit in there thinking, oh, is he thinking I'm talking all the bollocks? Wherever I am, whether I'm not. We're here now, we're having a chat. This is real, this is raw. You know, no smoke or mirrors. It is what it is. Stop worrying about how people look so I can be sitting there thinking about, oh, what people are gonna think about what I'm saying, and he's gonna think, oh, is he talking? Fuck him. They can turn it off. Turn it off. You don't like it, don't listen. You don't like me, don't follow me. Don't like me, don't be around me, don't invite me on your podcast. It is this is me accepting who you are, being comfortable with that. That's the power, you know? And like I said, even though I'm this is I'm this self-aware, and I'm which is a power in itself, I still have days, good and bad days, where I will overanalyze certain things, you know. Um, and it just is what it is, and it's heightened in this day and age because of everything, you know, social media, um, media in general, you know, what what we're told to look like, eat, drink, sleep, whatever, whatever we're told to be as a person, is overanalysed anyway. And then being in this industry when you're actually that person in the magazine, it's then tenfold, which makes it a lot more difficult. Now, I'm not sitting here saying, I want, you know, I've done this again, I can say have a good morning Britain. I've done good morning in Britain the other day, and I spoke about, I'm not looking for, I was just making people aware of it. The people, even like me, that people might look up to, and people might think, listen, he's a good-looking guy, he's in shape, he's very confident. Even someone like me, probably more so someone like me, suffers from body dysmorphia because it's that pressure. In fact, if I all of a sudden I was putting a lot of weight, straight away, tabloids, what's happened to Locking? Do you know what I'm saying? I'd be in the tabloids. I'd make Danny Mal. If I turn up one day and I was fat, say like last time you've seen me on ripped, if I if I, you know, in a couple of weeks' time was pictured eating a fucking donut, big fat fuck, that would be that would make headline news. You think, how is that important? How's that listen? How is that the the national news? But it would, and that's when the added pressure comes, it's what people don't acknowledge. It's what I was trying to get at. Um, and then also what I was letting people know that it's okay. Listen, it's listen, you don't gotta be in shape 24-7. You haven't got to look perfect or perfect in your mind 24-7. Just be comfortable with yourself. Do you know what I'm saying? Um, and stop giving a fuck. That's a powerful thing as well. Stop overanalysing, stop giving a fuck. You know, everyone, no one thinks about no one thinks about you as much as you think about yourself. That's what you need to remember.
SPEAKER_00:Guys, welcome to stripping off with Matt Haycox. And today we've got a guest. He's come straight from the sunbeds of Essex. Welcome to the show, Taui Legend, businessman, entrepreneur, and all around great guy, Mr. James Locke. What's happening? Thank you for having me. How are you doing, buddy? I'm good. I'm good. I want to delve deep and try and find the real James Locke. You know, who's uh who's who's the man behind the scenes?
SPEAKER_01:Many people, especially women have tried.
SPEAKER_00:Well, maybe maybe we can uh maybe we can help them get a few percent along the road. You told me that um your mum left you when you were when you were five years old, and I think you think there's probably some lingering after effects from that, and you know, that that you're a lot more fragile or vulnerable than people think, or that you would come across and and you probably date that back to when your mom first left. So let's let's go back to a little five-year-old James. He probably still had pecs and uh pecs and big thighs, but uh a little fat kid. Oh, really? Oh, we'll talk about that separately. We'll talk about that separately, but um, but yeah, I mean, uh you know, can you remember your mum leaving to this day?
SPEAKER_01:I just feel like uh look, it's a bit of a it's a weird one and a sensitive subject in the sense that people don't really think too much into I don't know, I do think into like their parents and stuff, but you do need it's fundamental that you do need two parents. You do need the two parents there. You know, I'm not saying that people that are not well-randed or well-grounded people and people that ain't gone on to do X, Y, and Z having, you know, either, you know, no parents or or a mum or a dad. But having two pet like two parents there is fundamental for me. I feel like you do need you benefit from both having a a mum and a dad.
SPEAKER_00:Are you saying needing both parents in the same house in a in a relationship, or you just need the support of them?
SPEAKER_01:I think if having them in that in the in the same house, in the same environment, you know, how it's you know, traditionally how it's meant to be. I think having them parents there is fundamental. It does make a big difference. If your mum and dad are split up, yeah, you come from a it could have broken home, but it sounds worse than it is, but it does have a knock-on effect to the person, you know. Whether you accept that or acknowledge that, however, you may deal with uh however you deal with that as a person, that is you. Everyone's an individual. So how you deal with that, I'm not trying to say you're you listen, you need to be a certain type of person, or that will sculpt you as a certain type of person having a mum or you know, having a mum and dad there, having being in the same environment or not being in the same environment or not having them at all.
SPEAKER_00:If that makes sense, but what would you say that it's more important to have your mum and dad together at the at the expense of them even getting on again?
SPEAKER_01:This is to do with circumstances and each story, each person as an individual. Do you know what I'm saying? Like this is becoming very particular because you used to work in strip clubs, but then at the same time, you say, Did you need to work in the strip clubs and then being there drinking, socializing? Just if you went there and just treat it as a job, obviously it's a very unsociable job. It's a sociable in the aspect for the punters, but it's unsociable for your family. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah, so it's like, for instance, I'm always up London in the week networking. I'm having meetings, you know, listen on the day. After this, I've got another meeting with my business partner. So I'm having I'm I'm at meetings and I'll probably pop out, go for dinner. Then when my friend, like when my family want to see me over weekend, I'm shattered by the weekend. So I end up chilling. You know, well, most people work all week, nine to fives or whatever, then they that's when they party or that's when they they, you know, you know, that's when they indulge in whatever they, you know, hobbies, seeing friends and family, going out, whatever. That's what they do. I'm saying it's a very reverse. Everything, everything depends on circumstances and the person, if that makes sense. But I do strongly believe, look, I can't speak from a parent's perspective because I haven't got any children, but what I'm saying is from the from the perspective of being a child from you know a so-called broken home, I feel, even though listen, I've been brought up by my dad and I feel like I he done a very good job, um, still had contact with my mum. Um, I feel I'm very well-rounded as a person. There's definitely factors there where things would have been different had my mum and dad been together. You know, things would have been different. I'm not trying to say it's taken taking anything away from me as a person, you know, but I back myself 100%. But I'm saying that it takes this, there will be something lacking of being brought up or a certain outlook.
SPEAKER_00:And using you as a specific example, I mean, what do you think is lacking or would have been different?
SPEAKER_01:I'm brought up very tough, tough love. So, in a sense, I'm a very much like I'm very old. Look, how I'm brought up anyway, is uh a very old school East End values.
SPEAKER_00:So you were living with your dad, your mum left and you were just living with your dad?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh my brother and sister was with my mum and I stayed with my dad. Because we do know what I'm saying, we the the split when the split happened as a kid, I didn't want to leave my dad. All the kids went with a mum, that's natural for all the kids to go with a mum. I didn't want to leave my dad, so I stayed with him. But you can definitely see a difference. If you met me and my siblings, you can see a difference between me and my brother. There's a lot of similarities, we're very similar. Look in, how we talk, but then there's a lot of differences. There's a lot of differences, and you'd have to meet my brother for me to acknowledge that. And you can see what whereas once we brought up softer, and once we brought more, you know, more as a as a man, it's it's very tough life or more sensitive. You can tell the difference. My brothers are very a lot more sensitive than me, you know, absolutely and see sometimes people misperceive me thinking that as if I'm a little bit arrogant or I don't give a fuck. A lot's happened to me in my life. I like a lot's happen to a lot of people. I don't sit here, obviously cry about it, I don't talk about, I just get on with it. But again, loads of factors over the years sculpt someone as a person, you know. And I think people sometimes forget, you know, especially when you're in in this industry, like people will um, you know, judge. Listen, everyone thinks I'm I'm I was born with a silver, you know, I'm some rich kid, born with a silver spoon in my mouth from from Chigwell. I'm not I'm not from Essex. Do you know what I'm saying? So I'm not and I'm definitely not from uh Chigwell or born like if I foul, it's it's all on me. Do you know what I'm saying? So people have a misperception and then see what we find in everyday life. People, you know, you don't know what people are going through. Do you know what I'm saying? You don't know what people are going through on a daily basis, you don't know what their background, what their circumstances are. It is what it is. I'm not just sitting there trying to cry about it, it is what it is, it's life, get on with it. But I'm just saying that as a whole, there's a lot of factors that sculpt a person in general. Whether you acknowledge it or accept it or you don't, there's a lot of things, even me, as much as I might think I'm well-grounded, I'm happy who I am. Yeah, I'm very, I'm very happy, I'm very, I'm a very contempt place in my life, yeah. There's still things that could have been better. You can't say there's always things that could have been done better or could have been a better situation. Do you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:And you say that you're a well well-rounded person. Were there times that you look back at where you were less well-rounded than you are now? Um, you know, because of because of that background and you know, things that you've had to work on.
SPEAKER_01:I think sometimes, especially in relationships, um, much of you might you're sitting here now, you're saying at the beginning, oh, like he's the ladies' man. Yes, I can go out, I can socialize. Um, listen, not just a ladies' man, I'm a very sociable person. I got a lot of friends, not a lot of friends, I've got a lot of acquaintances. I'm a sociable person, you know, whether you're a male, female, whatever. But when it comes to actually being in relationships with people, especially with a girl, sometimes being uh sometimes when you need that sensitive side, I don't think I'm that as sensitive. Sometimes, see, sometimes I'm in I'm awkward in situations. I'm awkward. And it's not through being cold, it's just through when I've brought up very tough love and just with a one-man dynamic. Do you know what I mean? Even though my dad is affectionate, listen, I mean my dad have a cuddle. He listened it as affectionate, it's a weird one. Again, it's it's like people, I feel like people can relate to it. It's a weird one, but you're you're listening. I think everyone will get it. Us is and I think you understand what I'm saying. Where if you you're a lot more affectionate, women are, listen, they are the the fairer sex, they are a lot more emotional, and that's not a bad thing. You know, I think that if anything, that makes them stronger than us.
SPEAKER_00:So but you say that um that in relationships you maybe haven't been as sensitive as as you could have been or you would have liked to have been.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I think that's been a that's been a um that's been a very um what's the word?
SPEAKER_00:That's been a very holding you back in relationships. But one, but then you also said to me last night, you said that probably one of your downfalls is that you invest in girls first. Yeah. Um, I mean, which I mean to me though, this for a lot of men though. They sound a bit contradictory, those two things, because I guess you, you know, you might not be sensitive, but you are putting that girl first.
SPEAKER_01:I overinvest so basically, because I I'm aware that what gives me, what makes me very powerful as a as a person is that I'm very self-aware. Self-awareness is it's like acknowledgement, yeah, it's powerful. I know this is the thing as well, because as much as it's powerful, it also is it's like it doesn't mean I don't make the same mistakes. Like myself, like do you know what I mean? Like even though um I'm self-aware, like I know my downfalls. What are they? I think my downfalls are that sometimes look, like a lot of people, I think I'm people please. Like I said to you, why for their benefit or for yours? Do you know what I'm saying? It's like it comes from a place of um, it comes from a good place because like I genuinely listen, everyone's gonna sit and say they're a good person, but I've got a big heart with my heart on my sleeve. That's why you know I look, I don't know, I over this is what I'm trying to say, I overinvest, I overinvest in things and do become a bit of a yes man, a bit of a people pleaser, which is bad for you. You can't, you can never win being a yes man or being a people pleaser. Do you know what I'm saying? And then sometimes because of that, you get taken advantage of. So as much as I might be not as uh affectionate, it doesn't mean I don't over then you overinvest in other ways.
SPEAKER_00:I think for me, the biggest downfall of being a people pleaser, because I don't know if I'd necessarily exactly use those words, but I I can completely relate to what you're talking about. I think my biggest regret in doing, let's say, too much for too many people is you have no fucking time for yourself. And one of the best things of being able to say no, or of not being able to say learning to say no, because it I think it is a it's maybe not a skill, but it's certainly a muscle, you know, like look learning to say no. It's a part of a muscle. Is that you get you know you get that time back either for yourself or for the ones you want to concentrate on because I spend so much time doing things for other people that I can't remember, I'm just fucked. And you know, barely got time for the missus, certainly no time for myself, and um, you know, and then it's not healthy. See that it's not healthy.
SPEAKER_01:See, like now I'm at a point where, you know, saying no, I'm at a point where what's held me back? Well, obviously, what we're talking about over the years, what's held me back is over investing, being a bit of a yes man. I think a lot of people, being a people pleaser, I think a lot of people, the last couple of years have been a massive transition for me. So no, if I know we can go out, like you said, I'd go out yesterday and socialise, and I'm still that same person, but I just don't say yes to everything. Saying no is a power itself because when you when it comes to a point where you want something, these people that you're saying yes to, let them let's see if they come and help you. Do you know what I'm saying? And lately, the last few years have been a massive transition for me because I've actually started saying no. Them people, I've actually lost a lot of the people around me, but they're they're they're the fake people, they're the people you don't want around you. Um, I I'm a lot happier. You know, see these things, you see these memes on on you know Instagram or wherever on online. Being on my own, going for drink, eating on my own. I I actually love being on my own. I train on my own, I eat on my own. You know, I'm I'm I'm on my own most days, most of the time. And that's that's okay. I go to my meetings, do my thing. When I'm meeting, when I'm doing things that it's it's business. If things if things ain't serving me, I am selfish, but selfish in a good way because that's a sign of self-respect. I'm here now, this is what like not fair, we're we're we're friends, but this is work. We're doing something productive. Yeah, we're talking about productive things. I think us men talking about things like this is is a is a productive thing. Or I could be uh on the piss talking shit with a load of fucking people who just want me there for a good time, paying the bill, yeah, because of Nick of you Richards. Do you know what I mean? It's uh do you know what I'm saying? It's a naked thing. Next to like, where's that gonna get me? But when you start saying no to them, people they say, Oh, he's changed. Who's he think he is? Do you know what I'm saying? It's it's you can't pleasing people is not the answer.
SPEAKER_00:Have you seen you must have seen a big difference in that from the time that you weren't on the tele to the time you were in the television? I mean, I mean, pre-tv, were you, you know, were you still that people pleaser? Yeah, pre-TV, I think every that's what I'm trying to say.
SPEAKER_01:I think everyone is a victim of it. Even your pals are calling you up, you don't even really want to go out, but you got you're out, you're on the piss, you don't want to do it. Do you know what I'm saying? That's people pleasing. It at some in at some level. Obviously, it's emphasized, and it's you know, times 10 since I've been on the TV because everyone wants to come out and party with me. You know what I'm saying? And that's caused another problem in relationships. You know, you're on this show, or you know, you're in reality TV, and people want to be wrapped around you. Otherwise, most of the people I meet in this day and age, I would never meet if I hadn't been on TV. Do you know what I'm saying? And they're not the people I grew up with, you know, and not people I was socialized with or would have, you know, would have been in any environment where I would have met them, you know. Again, this is pros and cons of the industry. Yes, it's there's a load, obviously there's more pros and cons, otherwise I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't be doing it. It's opened so many doors, but there is a dark side to it. Do you know what I'm saying? As much as you might go to an event and meet 10 potential, you know, potential clients in a sense that, you know, I might meet a couple of agents, I might meet people that, you know, producers for shows or people that, you know, have you know own brands, want to do endorsed, want to work with me. There's also negative where there's people there that's just want to party.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not, listen, it's not on them, it's down to you as an individual about being unless you say about being self-aware, but you know, as long as you're aware or self-aware. I mean, I guess, yes, it's more amplified in the media situation, but it's the same in everyday life, isn't it? You walk into the same, there's good people, there's good people, there's bad people, and I guess you you get better at reading people over time, and it's probably not too hard for you now to see a couple of guys in a room and think, you know what, they're not for me.
SPEAKER_01:But they're not necessarily always bad, is that I'm trying to say, like, see this, this is giving a vague explanation for something that's a lot more in depth. Now, when you're at people that just because they want to party with you doesn't necessarily mean that then they're they're a negative or they're a bad person. But maybe bad for you. Bad for me in that situation, but that's down to you as a person saying, no, no, not for me, you know. I'm not, yeah, I'm not drinking tonight. I'm uh I'm having an early one. And then having a willpower to tell them that, be firm with it and then leave. But what I'm saying is that just because they want to party doesn't make them bad people, you know, they're not seeing a negative, they're not doing something malicious. Do you know what I'm saying? They're just like thinking, look, we're gonna, if anything, it is coming from a maybe a place of of endearment, you know. It's again, you've got to take control of your own life. No one's here, no one's coming to rescue you. Do you know what I'm saying? It's down to you to look at a situation, uh, analyze it, and then make your own your own decisions for yourself. Because I said to you, no one is here. Um, no one's here to to to muffia or baby you. You've got to look after yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Let me hit you with a mad stat. You are probably not subscribed. Seriously, 58% of the people who listen to this podcast every single week do not hit that subscribe button. That is more than half of you. So let's fix this. Right now, the goal here is super simple. We grow the podcast, we bring in bigger yes, and we give you even more bullshit inside, level up your business, and to level up your life. Your business, yes, my business. Measurable, achievable, relevant, and time. Let's get 58% and 50% in the next three months. So please do me a quick five. If this podcast has ever given you one good idea, one piece of advice has helped you or helped your business, then hit that subscribe button. It takes a second, it costs nothing, and it means that I can keep bringing you even bigger and better guests, giving you even bigger and better insights. Come on, do it now. Like, perfect. Great choice. Let's grow this together. So when you say um that you you invest in girls first, what what do you mean by that? Not investing in girls first. So what happens with me? When are you having a relationship?
SPEAKER_01:So anyone in general. So what happens? I have a lot of acquaintances, girls, uh, boys or girls. You know, I'm a social, I'm a very social person. What happens is when someone I when I do invest in someone, so with me, I'm very like might come across as a bit standoffish or cold. It's not cold. I am standoffish because I, you know, I'm standoffish right. This this sounds a bit, it doesn't, it contradicts itself. As much as I can be sociable, I don't invest. I don't like, I might be out, we might bunk to each other, we might have go out and have a have a great night, or we'll be in the gym. You know what I'm saying? We we we'll be chatting or whatever, get on like ass on fire. That doesn't mean I'm gonna invest. I'm not then ringing you going, oh, what are you doing? Do you want to come and chill? When you're you go past the point where it's not just you're not socializing, you're not an acquaintance, you're investing in a person where you know you're you're seeing someone on a regular basis. Um, whether it's a man or a woman, you're do you then when you're giving someone, you're making time for someone rather than just you know sparing a moment sort of thing, or you're bumping into someone when you're actually making time for someone that that you're invested in someone, you know, when you're changing your plans, whether I'm going to speak to a lady and going, look, what you're doing the weekend, I'm putting her, I'm making her a priority, or speaking to my pals, I'm like, look, so what you're doing tonight, you're you're and then oh, you're not free to this time, you're changing your schedule.
SPEAKER_00:Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely, yeah. So when you invest in someone like that, that's that's an investment. Do you know what I'm saying? You're you're making, you're freeing up time. Your time's precious. Freeing up time for someone is an investment. Then what is one thing being with one of your pals, that's that's a mine, obviously, like just you know, changing arrangements for for them. Um it's like tonight, I'm Raj singing at Sheesh, so I don't need to be going out tonight, but I'm going there, so you're I'm changing my plans, you know, to go and support someone at a restaurant. Yes, I'll be there having a great time, but I'm changing, I'm already my plans, which is not too listen, it's you're still doing it to some degree, but it's not, you know, it's not life-changing. Whereas with a woman, when I'm invested, I will literally invest everything, all my time, into that person. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, absolutely. And I forget, I think a lot of men are like this where you're you won't um, you know, they come first. In regards to business, not funny, but if if I was with someone now and they was going through, they were struggling, I would literally not have turned up today, which is which is a great thing. People think, oh listen, that's that's a gentleman, it's a nice guy. But do you know something? It's that itself, this is work, this is business. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, not going to the meeting after because I've got to go back and someone's a bit upset, that has a knock-on effect.
SPEAKER_00:Do you know what I'm saying? But I think as much as it's important to be able to say no, you've also got to do what makes you happy and feels right. And uh, and and you know, sometimes it's very easy to say, well, would they do the same for me? And the reality is if you're a good person, if you're a generous person, probably eight times out of ten, that person wouldn't do the same for you. But does that mean you want to change who you are? You know, like no, you don't change who you are. I don't think ever change who you are. Exactly. And and and just go just going back to your parents for a minute. So when your mom left uh at five, did you maintain a relationship with her growing up or did she disappear for a while?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, I've I maintained like we've all we've all maintained a relationship. Oh, it's just that you weren't living together. No, it just weren't living together. Again, you'd have to know me and my family uh more in depth. No, you know obviously you know me as a person, but you could see the difference between me and my brother, whereas one's brought up in one house and the other's brought up in the other. You you can see a massive, there's a very massive difference. And I'm not saying that people can't be different being brought up in the same house, but there's a there's a noticeable uh difference between me and my brother, you know. Both done well. We're both in decent a lot of arts of it, we're both well-randed individuals, but you just can see in traits of personality a lot of difference.
SPEAKER_00:Well, let's let's talk a bit about business uh business, business and uh and doing well. As I know you, you know, you're a you're a hungry guy, you're a ducker and a diver. You've you've you've always got your fingers in different pies. I mean, I would imagine that dates back to back to your early childhood. I mean, I imagine your your dad's an influence in this respect as well. I mean, did you always want to get out there grafting and making money?
SPEAKER_01:I think look, people to say money doesn't make you happy, that's all bullshit. Money, I'm not saying money itself makes you happy, but it enables you to live a life that makes you happy. It gives you freedom. So to say that money doesn't make you happy is is bollocks. And when you come from nothing, uh, listen, like yourself, when you come from nothing and you have money, you can't go back. It's like when you've experienced something, and in the industry I'm in, or listen, even in real life, I think a lot of people, you're up, you're down. Do you know what I'm saying? If you're not, if you are like a you've got that entrepreneur mindset, you know, where you want better, you know, and you take that gap, you take it at risk, you're not doing your nine to five. Now, fair play to people to do nine to fives. My mum does a nine to five, my mum always done a nine to five. My dad always worked for himself. Now, you've got to remember, every day when you work for yourself, you wake up with nothing. Do you know what I'm saying? Every day you wake up, you it's down to you to go out and get it. We makes you hungry. That mindset, I like that mindset because it makes you hungry in life. And I'm still hungry now. I'm still, you know, I've had various businesses, I've tried various things. The people gotta understand is that I've had loads of things that I've I've done well from, but a lot of things that I've failed from. Probably more that I've failed from than I've done well from well from. But that's part of the journey. That's part that the the whole journey, the struggle, you know, that is that's what builds character.
SPEAKER_00:How do you feel about those failures? You know, what when they happened at the time? And yeah, have you had some failures which have been which have been public as well since you've been in the public house?
SPEAKER_01:Of course, there's been loads of failures since I've been public. But this is the thing. It's like obviously in the tabloids, I'm always the front guy, I'm the full guy. So these these businesses, but sometimes when they fail, they actually haven't failed because they're bad businesses. It's been a breakdown of there's other things, it's a lot deeper issue. Breakdown with communication with the partners, um, lack of effort from certain people. Um, some listen, I'm not trying to say I'm, you know, I'm adding sugar and everything I touch turns to gold, because he obviously doesn't. But and there's been some failures down to me, down to lack of effort from me. But I can hand on heart say that most of the time the businesses that I've had have been good businesses, even like dating back to when I've had bars, the restaurants, they've all been good businesses, but certain people haven't stepped up and they've caused me problems. Like it's not me. Like I they haven't done what they are meant to do. You've got to remember, obviously, I'm when people get into business with me, whether it be a restaurant, bar, endorsing a brand, I'm the face. My my job is to for for exposure, marketing, getting it out there.
SPEAKER_00:Is that typically is that typically your only only role at the time? I mean, I mean, do you do you ever put capital into these businesses? Do you ever get involved in the operations, or do you just you're the marketing, you're the brand, you're the face?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So, see, in terms of capital, in the past I have, but that's not smart business.
SPEAKER_01:I'm I'm a commodity myself. You know, what I bring to the table is otherwise someone won't invest in me. There's no point me going to business with someone if I'm gonna put the money in, I don't need that person. Does that make sense? If me and you're gonna do a business, if you want to get involved with me and you wanna you want to get it out there, why am I going 50-50 with you? What are you bringing to the table? Should I do what I'm saying? Is I don't need you, I might as well just pay the whole thing myself. No, no, no, no, what you're saying.
SPEAKER_00:So, okay, so so fleshing on from that then as as someone who's had multiple partnerships and multiple partners which break down as well. What if you're looking to partner up with someone now, if you're looking to, you know, to go into business, what do you think are the traits of a good business partner? Traits.
SPEAKER_01:Um, right, you need someone in the trenches. So, yes, I listen, I'm very hands-on. Someone will put the graft in when it gets. Yes, but I'm very hands-on anyway. As you know, like I, if it's my business, it's my name. Um, from look, from the past experiences, what when I've when I've not been hands-on or not, when I've just tried to sit back thinking I'm just gonna be the face, if you like, um, that's caused me problems. And then when it all goes peak tong, all got all fucks up, it's all on me. That other person, no one knows who fucking who I had the kitchen with, or no one knows who I had this bar with or the brand or whatever else, no one knows that. Do you know what I'm saying? It's always oh Lockie's, Lockie's, Lockie's kitchen, Lockie's bar. It's all on me. So it makes it look like I've had loads of foul businesses when the people that I've actually invested in, they haven't pulled their finger out. And listen, I can hand again, I can handle heart and say that, not put all the blame, but they haven't done what they're the what they're meant to do. I'm not the details person. You see, a lot of time with these influencers, people say, Oh, it's this business foul. Or used to be Taiwan was notorious for it. All the girls setting up shops or bars and they was failing. No, we was always the face, we're busy filming. Like people think I'll just sit here and someone's following me around the camera, and they think I don't do fuck all day. That's what that's what makes me die. People think I don't do anything all day. They ring me out, like what they think I'm not doing anything, like I'm literally just sitting at home or I'll go to the gym. I'm busy. We we're still we're still out, you're active. Do you know what I'm saying? Running errands, doing whatever you're doing, your day to day business, working. This today, like people got people ringing me, bugging me now, like as if I'm not doing anything. Do you know what I'm saying? So when I'm investing in someone, yes, I've got time to sit there, to market, um, whether it be a brand, you know, whatever to whatever.
SPEAKER_00:type of business but they've got it's all the all the detail stuff like the the stuff that's in the when I say in the trenches the reason why I would invest in someone is that they are a business person in you know in that field so whether it be a bar or wrestler I never had a kitchen for instance just to talk about like his kitchen I never had a kitchen I haven't got a background working in a restaurant the person I got involved with they invested the money and they had a background there's an Italian guy he had a background in kitchen you know in in in restaurants then when it comes to it he was never there he'd never been to the restaurant been to the restaurant twice comes there on opening night he was never there how can I how how am I supposed to run a business that I've never even a completely different industry that I don't know about and I've never worked in do you know what I'm saying is I have no background in it at all I had an idea I don't I was there all the time people coming down want to see me locky locky's kitchen I'm there all the time meeting people like you know being who I am they want to meet me they see me on the telly they want to come and meet me do you know what I'm saying people coming down to see me I'm not there cooking do you know I mean I'm not there cooking I'm not there serving people you know I'm just there you know being the host if you like everything else was meant to be down to someone else that was left to me because I said how can I how can you leave something you know I want to come and run your listen you would never employ me to come run your business when I've got no background in it you you you're setting yourself up to to fail does that make sense but then when it all goes to when it all goes to shit who does people who do people look at they look at me I'll lock it out oh red fucking his kitchen flop no it didn't flop the kitchen was a great idea it's still a great idea now I'd love to do the kitchen again with someone else who's a proper businessman with who's proper you know who knows about that business who's got the time to invest in that business does that make sense absolutely not wasting my time see like now I'm a lot more because like we're going back to I'm a lot more selective with my time I ain't got time to waste so when people are not putting their finger out fuck them let's talk about exercise which is obviously massive massive part of your life and also one of your businesses as well uh you said that when you were a kid you were a little fatty uh when did um when when when did that change when did you get into exercise uh health fitness so I've always always liked sports um you're either one of them kids or you're not I've always liked sports I played every sport when I was at school uh as I got a bit older I moved more into the gym uh but I like you know I like mixing it up you know I don't do weights every day I used to at one point I got I got mad on the weights and um you know you get you do get a bit obsessed with it a bit carried away but um I like to mix it up like I'm playing tennis down playing squash do you know what I'm saying I like to mix things or I'll go and swimming I do a bit of weights I do a bit of running I mix it up you know either jujitsu a bit of boxing I like to keep active because keeping active fundamentally it's good for your mind it's good for your body uh it keeps you healthy yes and obviously you know if you train the right way especially if what I do it's uh very like aesthetic and how's your eating because I mean obviously I'm very disciplined I'm very disciplined obviously last night went out we had a bit of food I'll still go out I have a cheap meal I'll go out and I eat what if I'm out I'm in company or I'll have a few drinks or I'll go and eat what I want but you know 90% of the time I'm very disciplined you know I'm very I've I'm very disciplined with my diet and this is the problem I've got people messaging me day in day out asking me about is you know about their diet about their workouts there's no there's no there's no quick fix you know there's no quick fix even people talk about steroids see steroids you don't just do a steroid and you all sudden you get muscly you've still got to train there's loads of guys down the gym big fat guys they do steroids they do loads of steroids they stay fat if people listen to people oh he's on the roids or she's she's you know doing some crazy diet it still takes discipline you know it takes discipline to stay away from the you know to eat regimented meals you know keep her like a low a well balanced diet you know which isn't which is like you know it's not really a low carb high protein diet you find do you know what I'm saying that's that's that's a well balanced diet a lot of people now you know you go out they're sitting there eating pizza you know burgers pasta they're wondering whether or not losing weight eating bread you can't eat you can't be eating bread you know bread is the worst thing in the world to eat if you're if you're looking to lose weight you're not sitting there whether you're sitting there's little thin bread going to a Turkish going to an it wherever you're going bread is that is I do find when when I'm when I'm trying to go and because I don't really diet to just try and eat better because you know like with my lifestyle similar to yours going out a lot entertaining seeing clients you know you can't say no to uh to going out to restaurants it'd be eat very easy to sit at sit at home with me right I mean I I wasn't as well behaved as you last night but yeah you know I find if I cut bread out if I cut bread out if I cut puddings out I mean that's that's that's half the fucking battle you've probably saved me six seven eight hundred calories a day just that if you cut out bread it's a game changer I tell people this all day there's other things we go when you start sitting there talking about diets and stuff I carb cycle I keep my carbs low people need to realise that I still eat carbs I don't do like what this Eddie fella does and just completely not eat carbs.
SPEAKER_01:I eat carbs you need to eat carbs because basically if you cut anything out completely when you start eating that again it will have a negative effect on your body. These people that do these crash diets like you got not funny you go and do these diets when you're just having a couple of juices or you know you still need to you still need to be balanced in what you're eating it's like being balanced in life everything's about balance balance is the key with with with everything. So how did the fitness app come about? The fitness app come about because again a lot of people are asking me about training and I see a lot of these apps out there a lot of these a lot of these people do these apps and they're just they're just money spinners you know um and these guys a lot of a lot of these you know these these PTs walter mention no names a lot of them are just genetically gifted or they are just taking X, Y, and Z and they are having a little cheat. Again, they still have to work hard to get into the position where they are that's what I'm saying there's no quick fix whether you're doing steroids or any sort of diet there's no quick fix. It takes discipline so you can't take that away from anyone don't you wrong but some people are more genetically gifted than others you know some people you know you see these people that go out eat whatever they want and they literally just don't put on any weight and eat other people on the other end of the spectrum but it still takes discipline and for me there's so much bollocks out there and I had so many people asking me you know so many people I've been on TV a long time I've got so many people that look up to me and ask me you know value my opinion that's half the reason why I've done the app and the app's done done really well like it's from the app straight away the the amount of downloads has been crazy. You know I've kept it um I've done I've started with a free um listen the app's free to download there's a free trial and even after the trial it's only$749 which is very cheap for an app a lot of people are charging you know double three times that and with that you're getting you know calorie trackers you're getting a breakdown you're getting nutrition plans you're getting uh workout plans you've got an online community you've got everything there you've got a lot of content and a lot within that app you know for for for a very cheap price and the reason for that of course we've still got to run it it can't be run for free because it takes time so I can't run it for free but that is a listen the price I'm doing it for is pretty much for fuck all just for anyone who doesn't quite make it to the end of the podcast where we'll put all the notes anywhere just just give yourself just give it a little shout out where they can find it okay so yeah I've I um and doing of all I've got an app called Lockie's Kitchen Lockie's Kitchen I've got an app called Lockie's Fitness yeah it's my work app it's my fitness app um if you go and download it it's got everything you need pretty much to get in shape it's very it's very real it's very simple you know it's the thing is it's simple things but ultimately I can tell you exactly what I'm doing in this app is everything is how I live you know I I use um I use a calorie tracker and I track all my macros because if you don't track it you could you listen how can you maintain or get into shape when you don't actually know what you're you know you need to know where you're starting from so this you go in and you put in you put in your your credentials um find out where you're starting from and you can map from there whether you want to you know tone up build muscle or lose weight okay if that makes sense yeah and then you can obviously you track what you're doing you need to you need to track what you're eating on a daily basis your your proteins your fats and your carbs that's the main three things you can calorie can I'm not a massive calorie counter but the the the fats the carbs and uh your protein you need you need to to monitor that you know and people like listen this day and age people eat people overindulge in carbs you know everything is carbs even bits of fruit you know vegetables they're all carbs you know what I'm saying and$749 a month$7.49 a month and and there's some add-ons or some upgrades you can pay for more some upgrades as well so at the minute look the app the app's quite new so for$749 look it's it just gives you an in-depth perspective of what I actually do on a daily basis. I I'll literally all the all the work all the nutrition plans the worker plans are everything that I do on a daily basis this is what I live by. So that app is very personal to me. It's not one of these apps I just put my name to it's my app if you want to know what I'm doing and how I keep in shape how I can you know yo-yo at one minute where I can overindulge and go out last night, have a few drinks eat what I want but then I can still get up and do a photo shoot the next day is because I'm living by what I'm doing within this app. Now within the app at the minute like I said it's very new at the minute I'm gonna start there's gonna be upgrades there's certain things where you can buy more personalized workouts. There's a few people I'm training at the minute one being Arj so when people I'm doing like a body transformation with Arch just to show that it's not it is discipline it is what I'm saying what I'm preaching is the truth and I'm and people have seen that already so I'm doing a 12 week uh what did I start with a six week transformation with Arj doing a 12 week one were you doing against the muscle on him yes so he's he's lost a lot of weight I mean he looks like he looks like a different man I mean literally unrecognizable no listen he's lost loads of weight he looks brand new this is he's a completely changed man he's changed his life for the better I'm proud of him as a friend I'm proud of him but he's at the point now where he's got loads of things back on track he's lost the weight he's sorted himself out he stopped drinking because that was having a negative effect on him and he's happier than ever you know he's still doing TV he's um you know he's doing uh stuff for the arch panel I'm gonna see him tonight he's he's performing at Sheesh and and he's smashing it I'm I'm I'm happy for the guy you know I'm genuinely happy for him as a friend now he wants to he's come to me like he's like look I've lost loads of weight he's looking double well but he now wants to look more aesthetic he wants to put on a bit of muscle if you like so the right the right sort of weight so I'm helping him with that I'm literally showing him he's training with me so people that follow me they'll you'll see that he's doing exactly what I'm doing um you know in any obviously I'm I'm I'm doing like a one-to-one PT and training him so and that's what I'm gonna start doing within the app so with the app I'm gonna start doing one-to-one training online coaching plus I will for selective people I'll start doing personalized coaching as well like I'm doing with Arge you've been quite open with your battles uh with body dysmorphia yes yeah yeah yeah so people look people uh again it's another it's a it's another subject is a bit of a it's something that people can't always grasp you can be in social is that been something that's always been with you or do you is that something that's developed what we've been on the TV and more in the public eye right so it's it's definitely I spoke about this on Good Morning Britain the other day. So the body dysmorphia everyone's got it in some aspect it's not just the women men have it as well you know whether you're you know you're what you're you you're you have a picture with your friends and you're double you're checking that picture that's body dysmorphia or you might have a look at it but if you're overly looking or I'm not I don't like that one it it's insecurities that's body dysmorphia you're finding fault in yourself I look shit there no you don't you're you're finding fault in yourself so whether it's just having a picture whether you're not on TV you're training you're a you're a man or a woman you're training you know you're going away you're going to my bay you're going to I befa you want to look or you're getting married do you know what I'm saying it's like that's not being comfortable with just who you are at that present point of time. So if that is body dysmorphia do you know what I'm saying that is in some aspect and obviously it's emphasized when you're on TV or in the public eye you know uh whether you like it or not this is a very vain industry like you the better you look the more money you make like if I wasn't in shape there'd be I want me doing a fitness app you know I want me getting fitness fitness endorsements like you you are like I am a walking like I'm a business I'm a walking advert for my own business if I get out of shape and if I'm not in shape no one's gonna go buy my app does that make sense so then the bodies morphia kicks in because then I'm not just competing with other reality stars or other people within this industry I'm competing with fitness models.
SPEAKER_00:Now fitness I'm not a fitness model fitness models I'm not in front of that that discipline takes goes to another level where they're not out something last night they wouldn't be out drinking uh having eating what we're eating at all trust me I believe them boys they live a very regimented and a very listen I'll say boring with all due respect um of course they love it they're not they love it my hats off to them again everyone's different that's their business they don't listen they are again they you it's it's like it's a lifestyle it's a lifestyle but the problem is I can't live that lifestyle doing what I do do you know what I'm saying it it's it kind of reacts but it's the balance isn't it ever everything everything is a trade off to something else and I mean listen I'll never take it to the extremes like you say of a of a of a fitness model uh and I'll you'll probably struggle to get a six pack but I think I was probably making excuses excuses for myself before you could get there though you could get there anyone oh I can I mean absolutely absolutely when I say struggle I don't mean I'm physically incapable I mean I just have things that you that you that you thrive in that's again it's just like talking to someone as an individual I'm talking about me and you here there's uh there's areas that you uh excel in that I need to be more disciplined in not before I went out last night we had a few drinks you went home I stayed out see that discipline you're up 9 a.m work at do you know what I'm saying me doing that that's has a knock-on effect you know what I'm saying it's like I'm not I'm I'm good I'm not 100% today I I would have been do you know what I'm saying we probably should have done this after we should have done tonight see see that discipline so in some aspects where I go out and that like we were out for a bit of dinner I'm only eating I'm limiting my carbs even last night when I'm a little bit I've had a few drinks I'm still limiting the carbs I'm I'm just eating purely protein yeah and you might be eating you know a bit more rice. Tampora yeah yes tempura prawns when I stayed away from them so I've disciplined like that but like I'm saying that at the same time so that's one good thing but then you know it's 11 o'clock to whatever time it was after stayed out with a few friends I had a few more drinks yeah there's nothing wrong with that but when I've got something to do today I shouldn't have I should have just gone home like you was a professional so that's what I'm trying to say in one area you might not excel in but in other areas you do and it's all about balance it's it's it's finding that it's finding that that balance with anyone and let's let's look into that a bit then and and to kind of see why because so yeah true complete true example I go home you don't now I'm not looking at the fact that I've gone home because oh I'm so disciplined and you know I need to do it is disciplined I get yeah it's like a byproduct is the discipline because I think if I stay out tonight yeah I know that I had a podcast before this one and I also have some calls and stuff to make I know that if I go to bed at three o'clock full of booze and get up at six I'm gonna feel a fucking dog like an absolute dog. And I guess I'll be I'll be punishing myself and as fun as it may be to start for a couple of hours more I know it's not going to be worth it to move it. And uh heat the moment though that's my I guess that's my it's not that I'm clever and super disciplined I just think I don't want to feel like shit tomorrow and I don't want to let people down why can't you do it?
SPEAKER_01:But it is discipline that is discipline because see with me it's all or nothing out of sight out of mind that me as a person out like I was always gonna drink yesterday if I'm out I'm out there's no like going I've never I'm not that guy that goes down the puff for a couple of couple of beers after work I've never been that guy my dad's never been that guy if we're out we're out so what I do is I don't put myself in that environment you know I'd rather be if I'm it's an environment where I'm just clean living training every day working grafting every day yeah that is I'm a complete different person.
SPEAKER_00:Don't know I'm still professional I'm here now I'm still here I'll still turn up but I'm I'm a better person a better version of myself had I not been out last night see what I'm saying yeah um and listen fair play to you fair play to anyone to go out have a few drinks go I can't and there's a lot of people like that but like you say it it is it's a parallel to the to the food that I guess you you you couldn't do that so you went out and I guess because that was more important to you to go out whereas with the food you know you could avoid the tempora and I couldn't because I just think I don't care enough I want that tempura I want that tempura because you know I I don't care about the um the lack of six pack don't get it wrong look it's not when it's having a negative negative effect like say I went out last night and I hadn't turned up today that's when it's is a problem because when you're not doing the fit your commitments work or any sort of commitments even if you're missing you know missing a dinner date or a lunch date with a friend when you're missing commitments because you've gone out and got on the piss that's when it's a problem if it's affecting you in that sense that's that's when you need to really look at yourself.
SPEAKER_01:Do you know what I'm saying? What I'm getting at is just that having that mindset where if I just left I would feel a bit better you know I'll be that bit better. Like I said like anyone watching this now be like you're sweet I know I'm sweet but I'm just saying you're professional this is what I do. But at the same time I know myself I'm not 100% does that make sense absolutely and that's because of my own life choices and again going back to having that discipline you know discipline in in certain areas.
SPEAKER_00:And just going back to the body dysmorphia when like you say everybody has it because you know we all look at a picture or you know compare ourselves a bit but how do you control it so it m it doesn't it doesn't get away from being let's say uh a competitive reason for you to try and better yourself to where it actually becomes a problem because yeah you know like I don't know if I look at a picture and say oh you know Lockie looks a bit more mushy than me I need to uh I need to get down to the gym that's positive bodysmorphia if I look at you and go to that's negative no no that's negative bodysmorphia you looking at me thinking you looking at me thinking oh Lockie looks a bit mussy I need to get down the gym that's negative no but I mean I'm using it for a positive reason like I'm not gonna punish myself but is it I think that's actually a negative I think that's actually because since back in the day I used to look at Van Damme or Arnie that is where it all stems from you sit you're the hero looking a certain way you're competing subconsciously you're competing with that person. You're thinking that heroes in everyday life heroes don't look like that but but I guess I'm what I'm saying is I'm not doing it to compete with you. I'm using that to make myself better but not at the expense of my health and safety like I'm not gonna get fucking healthy this is I'm gonna go and starve myself but this is where it goes wrong because right you're looking at for a uh um inspiration but people get obsessed with it and you're not me so you're not gonna look like me and I guess and that and that was my question you know where where where's the line between inspiration and that's where it becomes trouble.
SPEAKER_01:And that's what I'm trying to say this is where it's a very slippery slope it's like when someone's confident or arrogant it's a very fine line you know inspiration or whether it be in a positive and a negative you can be I I look at certain fitness models like I said when I was a kid I wanted to be I want to look like Arnold Sports you know I think most boys did that was how a hero in your head that's what you know Superman Batman they're not fat are they you know they they're they're how you how you look at them as kids that's what you want to look at. But then you're still it's it's subconsciously trying to achieve that can sometimes get carried away you can get lost in trying to achieve perfection and perfection is ultimately in your own head you know saying you've got to love yourself yeah I know I'm in good shape but I will still find thought I'll take pictures even though I've ripped I've got a six pack I'll still find thought in myself do you know what I'm saying I'll let you know people think I'm mad when I look at pictures sometimes I if I show add a picture of me I'll find fault in it even me looking ripped. And when people give me compliments I find hard to take compliments because I will look at a picture I'm not seeing what they see. Does that make sense? And that's down to you as a person and in not becoming this is why I spoke the other day because I see a lot of kids getting obsessed a lot of young adults there's adults our own age because I've got some of my friends the same age as us older than us um that talk to me about that's that's that's that's that's one problem but when when the youngsters are becoming obsessed um with with their body they should be obsessed about business about life being a better person don't get obsessed with being you know looking a certain way that's a very shallow way and a very negative way to live all about anxiety I think you've you you've you've struggled with that as well anxiety I think everyone struggles with anxiety to some aspect even me someone that comes into the room I'm very confident I go into certain situations you know I meet a lot of people from different backgrounds you know as you probably do um with business uh events networking and you know sometimes it is when you're going into a into an environment that you you're not comfortable with you know they're not one of your own if you like not something you're brought up with or brought up around where it's it's second nature it can be uncomfortable and it will give you anxiety like I could have done a podcast with someone else and that person I might never have met before it's natural it might be anxiety it might be minimal anxiety but it's still anxiety to a certain degree turn up the you know the anticipation you know apprehension of meeting that person you don't know you know you need to gauge that person I could have sat here not got on you could have been hard whoever you are like hard work and it would have made this podcast painful and how how do you control I mean I guess for you or for the people what do you do to make it to make it better again overthinking overthinking is the worst thing in the world overthinking overanalysing see where it be body dysmorphia um and you're overanalyzed don't stop stop overanalysing take a couple of pictures just stop you have to just stop yourself you know and be like listen that's sweet that one's fine done leave it at that don't keep looking at it pick a picture go into a room don't overthink it I could sit in now thinking oh is he thinking I'm talking all the bollocks whether I am whether I'm not we're here now we're having a chat this is real this is raw you know no smoke or mirrors it is what it is stop worrying about how people so I could be sitting there thinking about oh what people are gonna think about what I'm saying and he's gonna think oh is he talking fuck him the concern off turn it off if you don't like it don't listen you don't like me don't follow me don't like me don't be around me don't invite me on your podcast it is this is me accepting who you are being comfortable with that that's the power you know and like I said even though I'm this is I'm this self-aware and I'm which is a power in itself I still have days good and bad days where I will overanalyze certain things you know um and it just is what it is and it's heightened in this day and age because of everything you know social media um media in general you know what what we're told to look like eat drink sleep whatever whatever we're told to to be as a person is overanalyzed anyway and then being in this industry when you're actually that person in the magazine it's then tenfold which makes it a lot more difficult. Now I'm not sitting here saying I want you know I've done this again I can have a good morning Britain. I've done good morning Britain the other day and I spoke about I'm not looking for I was just making people aware of it the people even like me that people might look up to and people might think listen he's a good looking guy he's in shape he's very confident even someone like me probably more so someone like me suffers from body dysmorphia because it's that pressure if I all of a sudden I was putting a lot of weight straight away tabloids what's happened to Lockheed do you know what I'm saying I'd be in the tabloids I'd make daily mail if I turn up one day and I was fat say like like last time you've seen me on rips if I if I you know in a couple of weeks' time was pictured eating a fucking donut big fat fuck that would be that would make headline news you think how is that important how's that listen how is that the the the national news but it would and that's when the added pressure comes and it's what people don't acknowledge it's what I was trying to get at um and then also what I was letting people know that it's okay isn't it's listen you don't gotta be in shape 247 you haven't got to look perfect 20 or perfect in your mind 247. Just be comfortable with yourself do you know what I'm saying um and stop giving a fuck that's a powerful thing as well stop overanalysing stop giving a fuck you know everyone no one thinks about no one thinks about you as much as you think about yourself. That's what you need to remember. Well listen you're um a reality TV veteran yep uh many shows too many the biggest uh celebrity action on the beach the challenge what what we're missing well season uh so dating um of course done a few other little ones he's um you know a few of these little little shows if you like not little shows but more like just the one day as or a couple of days what's your favourite listen I I'm not look I love Taui I did love Taui was I enjoyed it I wouldn't have done it for 10 years um if I didn't enjoy it Taui was probably Taui becomes second nature why did you leave I haven't left at the minute it's the door's still open but what's happened I've took a I took a bit of time out to pursue other things so as a boy one of my boyhood dreams like see like now I'm at a point right where you know I'm in my 30s and I feel very comfortable very content with myself now saying that listen I said yeah bodysmorphia anxiety certain other things that a lot of people suffer from I do have them problems still yeah I still have them problems but they're not they're not they're not they don't hinder my daily routine I still go out and do my daily business and not locking myself away do you know what I'm saying it's like I still get on with life because life goes on it is what it is you know I'm a lot mentally stronger than that having them problems I'm not at a point where I'm that confident of if anything I feel like I'm in my peak of my life I feel very well rounded as an individual I feel very comfortable with myself in my own skin and now I'm trying to pursue certain dreams so one of them is acting I've always wanted to be an actor now I've not just woke up one day and thought look I've done reality I fancy doing acting I've gone away you know I've took a I've took a back step from reality you know I've stepped away from Taui I've gone down acting classes and doing acting classes with Jack Ryder used to be on Extenders Jamie from East I'm pursuing something I'm investing it's cost me money it's not free I'm putting a lot of money I'm losing money in other areas you know I've stepped away from other very lucrative endorsements for me you know I've been offered a lot of money to do certain things I stepped away from that because I need to clean up my image and being an actor you can't do certain things it's a very clicky industry you know is this this is a full-time job me being me is a full-time job even in reality there's a lot reality is a lot harder than people realise there's a lot more to it not everyone can do it people just think oh it's one of these rallies go and do it go and sit on camera it's a lot more to it than just being on camera and you know just it's not one man on the camera it's a full setup even today is very basic setup if you're on set for reality there's three characters there's a full crew there it's like you're filming a movie people don't realize that is a is a full-time thing there's a lot there's a lot of investment from you as a person but that was one part of my life and I enjoyed it I loved it but I look my look my uh you know admiration and my you know where I wanted to be uh in life you know my five year plan I want to be an actor I've always wanted to be an actor since I was young kid I've always loved the movies you know we all love the movies but I I'm actually love you know I sit there and I'm obsessed with films all different types of films you know I'll sit there watching films like I've watched films back to back all day I don't sit there watching normal TV I watch films I'm a proper film geek every type of film you know and yeah like I said I've always wanted to be an actor and that's what I've got away now because I want to I've got because I want to do something I'm that comfortable with myself I've gone away invested in myself and that's where I'm gonna be in five years I see myself being in Hollywood doing a big film and I'm what I'm gonna do that and I'm doing it for myself it's not for the fame it's not for other people it's for me it's something that I want to that's my legacy that's where I want to be what's the uh what's the dream role the dream film I see you in a guy richie gangster movie I'd love that see listen no that's a very a very um obvious obvious role but being someone don't say I'd love to be someone say like Jason Stapham um something like that Jason Stafham for me you know Jason Staffen's like the new Arnie or the new Van Dam. I'd love to be someone like that meet Ray Winston you know Ray Winston Jason Stafham that sort of role you know it's a very easy role there's a few films that I'm doing um I was meeting I met my with my director yesterday before I come and see you there's a couple of films that I'm doing you know um and that that's them sort of roles that's very easy that's the sort of with my background and how I talk and you know that it's a very easy role for me to fulfill but that's a starting point. I'd love to go and do theatre you know as well like people never ever see me on stage I'd love to try everything. You know I'm at the point now where I would actually give everything a go. Whether it's good or bad I'm gonna give it a go and I'm comfortable myself.
SPEAKER_00:And obviously you sound very very committed to that how talking in terms of I guess of failure or of of commitment to something how how long will you give the acting like you say the door the door's open on tower no the acting's on me.
SPEAKER_01:So listen I'm not relying on anyone else the acting's dance and meat. But what I mean is like the door you say the door's open on Taui you can go back if you want but you you also think it's impacting on the acting I mean if you if you haven't made a movie by next year would you would you still go back to tower oh no no I'm committed to say I'm still doing TV okay I've still listened I mean I've I've just done a reality show but there's certain shows um there's certain shows that are see with the acting it is a little bit snobby in that world it is a little bit snobby it's not I don't know if it's snobby is the right word but if anything it's harder as a reality star to make that transition into acting than it is for a Joe Bloggs because you come with a stigma. I come as Lockie from Taui. Now I am lucky I'm not lucky from I'm lucky it's not locky from Taui but people pre-perceive me as that character now I'm playing myself but you're you're still you're seeing a snippet of me you're seeing a snippet of me within that show you know you've got to remember it's scripted reality you know things are set up you know uh for your entertainment it's a show people watch extenders and they get overinvested they start thinking you know Ian Bill's Ian Bill Mitchell's film which they're playing a character that makes sense and even though even reality when you're on a show like scripted reality yes we're playing ourselves but it's 50 50 it's it's it's in the middle it's a very fine line where a lot of the stuff that you're doing you know is set up for the entertainment of the viewer. With the acting now I feel like I can step away go and indulge being playing a character you know it's it's that's that's that's stepping out of reality for me. And for me, I enjoy it more. I love I love acting. I love being the acting, stepping out of my comfort zone, uh, playing someone else or portraying someone else. It's exciting, it's fun. You used to do it when you're a kid. When you're a kid, you got no worries in the world. You'll you'll sit there, you'll play, you know, well, you're playing, you know, Cops and Rubbles with your pal, you know, Cowboys and Indians. You, you know, you're stepping out, you're playing a character. You're, you're, you know, is it isn't it's not reality. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00:We talk about scripted reality and things being real or not real. Obviously, your most recent uh recent reality was um Celebrity X on the Beach, which started a week or so ago. I started a week ago.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not in it at the minute, so I've done this the second time I've done that show. Um I don't know if my ex Yasmin this time.
SPEAKER_00:Uh how real are those kind of things? Because we say we say it's scripted, you know, you're kind of playing a play in a role even though it's yourself. I mean, uh are they is it still a surprise when shows like that? You can understand, like, see the show.
SPEAKER_01:So me and my ex flying out to Grand Canaria and being in a villa for two weeks, that's not reality, is it? Like, that's the scripted parties. Getting us both to go to, I'd never have been to Grand Canary, I've never bumped into my ex in that environment had it not been for the show, orchestrating that. So that's where it becomes scripted. That's what people need to understand. Then see if you're no, you know, because most of the time, say you see an ex, you might bump into an ex um, you know, at a bar, restaurants, you ain't got to go and speak to him. You might see him, depending on how who the ex is, whether you speak to him is all on you. When you're on a TV show, you're told you have to, I have to engage with that ex. Whether I like him or I don't, they're told you're told to engage. Do you know what I'm saying? Because the end result is, you know, filmed for entertainment. It's for do you know what I'm saying? It's for the for the pleasure of the viewer. Um, so that's when it becomes not reality. So I'm saying, even though it's reality, it's not reality because that was never, would never ever have happened. Any any goss from the season you can give us? Um just listen, can't give obviously too much away. Obviously, you know, everyone knows I'm coming into it. Um, obviously, me and Yasmin on it, we've come into it. Um I'm just gonna say that there's a lot, there's a lot of emotions. It's quite traumatic. Me and Yasmin always are. We're very, we're very similar. Um, and you know, we're when we're good, we're good. But when we're bad, we're we're we're very bad. That's what we're gonna say. It's a it's a very explosive series.
SPEAKER_00:We get to see some fireworks, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Me and Yasmin are great now. Look, we're we're listening to me, you know, she's we will always be very good friends. I've got nothing but love, love for Yasmin, and she'll always be a part of my life, and we'll always be friends, you know. I've got a lot of time for her. Um, but put in the wrong environment, but we get on, we speak, we speak all the time, me and Yasmin, and we're cool. You know, she go and does her thing, I'm doing my thing. Um, but we're cool, you know. But put us in an environment, a certain environment, you know, especially when alcohol's involved. I feel like you know, it's it's it's a remedy for destruction, for chaos, and it does go off. Um, but like I said, we kick off, you know, and we're very we're very vocal, can be very volatile, but like I said, ultimately we both love each other, have a respect for each other, and that's why we're still friends. We're friends now, you know. But on the show, you're gonna see, yeah, mixed emotions. Let's just say a lot of mixed emotions, highs and lows. I feel better that we had it. We hadn't spoken a year before I'd done it. Yeah, and I feel we sort of half did fall out, and I feel better. We needed a lot of when you see someone, there was a lot of emotions. It was a lot of like there was love there, but a lot of you know hurt and anger as well. And I think you see that on the show.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, it's good. I'll look forward to checking it out. So, other than seeing you on the big screen, what's uh what have we got to look forward to next for Lockheed?
SPEAKER_01:Obviously, I'm doing the app and a minute I've got the app the fitness stuff. So in a minute, I've not tried to not spread myself too thinly. Uh, I'm doing things that, you know, yes, work, but things that make me happy. Like even the podcast. I get asked to do podcasts all day. I'm here because I get on, I get on you with with friends, and I feel very comfortable. You can see I've just talked to the word bollocks today, but I feel very comfortable and I'm doing things that please me, you know. Um, so yes, the acting is where I want to be. It's been a boyhood, a childhood dream. That's where I'm gonna be. I will be an actor. You know, I'm still doing reality TV. There's a few shows, big shows that I'm in line for. I'm waiting to hear back. Still doing reality. I still will probably pop in to Taui one day and and do little cameos here and there. But the the main goal for me is the acting. That's where I want to be in the future. Then again, and the fitness, the fitness stuff. The fitness keeps me, you know. Um, I'll probably go to the gym after this because the fitness keeps me mentally sane and it keeps me well balanced and well-rounded, and it keeps me grounded, you know, going to the gym. I think going to the gym is a cure for anything. So yeah, just mainly just doing things this year and in the future that make me happy. You know, that's what's that's what life's about.
SPEAKER_00:Well, listen, that's fantastic advice for anyone at any age in any walk of life, buddy. It's been a pleasure having you here. Uh, like I say, always good to do with a friend and uh would have been eye sharp. I worried about your parking meter. Listen, I look forward to doing another another one again with you sometime soon, Paul. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me.
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